*That is obvious only after the fact. If F-P had not made a public announcement, Jones would have. In fact, the claim would have gotten attention without the announcement*
Yes I agree. After the fact or not however, it is what it is. *But it is fusion. Do you want F-P to lie?* At the time of the press conference they were going out on a serious limb saying that (scientifically speaking) and only basing that claim based on then A) suspect evidence of weak neutron emissions, and B) the energy output was in the nuclear range. They didn't have access to the Helium-4 ash data that we do. That is the only nuclear ash correlated with the excess heat reaction. All other products, as you have noted in your most recent ICCF18 paper, may very well be secondary reaction pathway products (tritium, neutrons, etc. caused by hot fracto-fusion). *I see nothing insightful. The claims are a simple-minded repetition of what the skeptics said 23 years ago.* We agree. I'm only *slightly* more forgiving. Regards, John On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Edmund Storms <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Foks0904 . wrote: > > Obviously major mistakes were made by P&F. The press conference was a > mistake. > > > That is obvious only after the fact. If F-P had not made a public > announcement, Jones would have. In fact, the claim would have gotten > attention without the announcement > > Calling it fusion was a mistake. > > > But it is fusion. Do you want F-P to lie? > > The question is: were the results (excess heat + nuclear products) a > delusion? 25 years later and hundreds of successful replications later and > 3 major commercial products in the works the clear answer is a resounding > "NO". > > > Yes, this is true. The evidence is now overwhelming. Ignorance is the only > problem. > > > This presentation is both insightful yet beyond myopic and ignorant at the > same time. Stress on myopic and ignorant. > > > I see nothing insightful. The claims are a simple-minded repetition of > what the skeptics said 23 years ago. > > > Regards. > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Kevin O'Malley <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I could use some help from some knowledgeable vorts to counter these >> accusations... >> >> Cold Fusion Confusion and Questionable Ethics >> http://www.ptei.org/docs/ColdFusionPresentation.pdf >> >> > >
