Dave,, it has been a long time and my memory is a b it hazy. You might ask Jed Rothwell for more details. This guy was a careful engineer who built a device consisting of a large cylinder rotating in a close enclosure by a husky motor. The drum hat pits on its periphery to created turbulence. His idea was to heat wastewater without a boiler such that contaminants would not matter. As part of his tests, he provided an in-line dynamometer so he could measure the mechanical power input to the rotor. He had multiple thermometer measuring the inlet and out let temperatures, and a flowmeter. He was surprised that his measurements indicated over-unity performance. He approached Gene Mallove for an explanation. Gene was then operating a small testing laboratory for ‘new energy’ inventors. Gene bought a copy of the device with a grant from Arthur C. Clarke ans set it up in his lab. As received, the ekectric motor axis and the drum axis were not in sufficient alignment to safely operate the machine, and there was no in-line dynamometer, so it sat idle. Some time later a pair of guys surface with a ‘kinetic Furnace’ which thought to O?U. Gene’s guys made considerable effort in testing, concluding that O/U performance could not be verified. It was written up in Infinite Energy magazine. Some copies might still be available. About the same time a company in Russia was selling a space heater fir rooms with a motor-driven cavitator to heat the water. O/U was claimed, but no independent measurements were made. Other experiments with cavitation centered on high velocities when a bubble collapsed. I even saw a well-done experiment entered into a Philadelphia science fair where I was a judge. There is more ‘lore’ but no definite outcome.
Mike From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two Mike, do you believe that those older cavitation devices operated at over unity? My main concern is that it is so difficult to make accurate measurements of that type when the answer is so very close to 1. Too bad the effective gain was not significantly higher. That would make our lives a lot easier unless we happened to be too close to one of those devices exhibiting too much gain! :-) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mike Carrell <mi...@medleas.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2014 1:23 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two Years ago an industrial water heater was marketed sing cavitation. The sales point was that it could use wastewater, but tests showed that it was an over-unity device. Over-unity was not ‘claimed’. I don’t know if they are still in business. Several investigators in the CF field used cavitation as a mode. Mills, in his work over the years has collected hydrinos in liquid-nitrogen trap and solid fuels; verified by independent laboratories. His methods and experiments have no relation to the Papp device. As far as I know, the physics/chemistry of the Papp device has not been clarified or duplicated. It remains an engaging topic for speculation. Mike Carrell From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com <mailto:janap...@gmail.com?> ] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:16 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter Two The cavitation experiments by LeClair show that water subjected to plasma cooling will produce nanoparticles of solid water formed from cooling water plasma. These small crystalline particles are the active agent in many water based nanoplasmonic LENR reactions including cavitation. I believe that water that has undergone of period of cavitation or spark discharge will contain sufficient numbers of nanoparticles to demonstrate Papp like water explosions when subjected to intense photon irradiation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_sieve A molecular sieve is a material with very small holes of precise and uniform size. These holes are small enough to block large molecules while allowing small molecules to pass. Many molecular sieves are used as <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiccant> desiccants. Some examples include <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_charcoal> Activated charcoal and <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silica_gel> silica gel As in the movie <http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CEgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Andromeda_Strain&ei=kxLgUoT_BOLjsAT-7IKQDw&usg=AFQjCNGjp3IWIwQyDUQcRJrZCUZFU8S53A&sig2=AnTTdlHOb36ZT1F6_3KZ-A&bvm=bv.59568121,d.cWc> The Andromeda Strain, these sieves can remove the Nano crystals from the cooled plasma flow, If hydrinos exist, they will not be filtered out of the condensed water. If the active agent is the nanoparticles, then the reaction will stop. To prove this, Mills can use a proper sized molecular sieve to determine experimentally that hydrinos are the active agent in the Mills reaction (AKA the Papp reaction and/or the LeClair reaction and/or the Santilli reaction} On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Mike Carrell <mi...@medleas.com> wrote: I am pleased by the stir created by my previous post on this thread. I also now have a better understanding of the BLP posts. Readers have been fixated on the press release and the patent application and overlooked the paper “Solid Fuels that Form HOH Catalyst” which contains the key to understanding. HOH designates *nascent H2O* which must be formed by a chemical reaction apart from fluid water to have energy level necessary for catalysis. Several molecules are cited. When fluid water is added, and the mass elevated to an activation temperature, HOH is formed and available H atoms are induced to the hydrino state with intense release of energy. This is tested in the paper. The BLP device forms pellets which are hydrated and then placed in a reaction chamber where a short, powerful pulse of electric current elevates the pellet to the activation temperature, causing an explosive release of energy which is to be captured by an MHD coverter. The megawatts of power cited in the press release is scientifically accurate, but easily misunderstood in a rush to judgment based on cursory inspection. Apparently the pellet is not destroyed and can be rehydrated and reused, so it s not a consumable. The patent application has an illustration of two cylinder reciprocating engine. I believe that is a ‘placeholder’ against anyone who claims something of the sort as an implementation of the BLP process. Members of Vortex may see a semblance to the earlier work of Papp and Stanley Meyer who produced dramatic demonstrations that could not be explained or duplicated. The work of Mills has exposed a class of energetic reactions previously overlooked, but now elucidated by a comprehensive theory and experimentation and publication. Mike Carrell ________________________________________________________________________ This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department. ________________________________________________________________________ This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
