I do not think that this type of conversion is possible without outside influence. The total angular momentum of the system is conserved. The same is true for the linear momentum. Show how your proposed cooling works and I strongly suspect that some outside coupling is required.
If it were possible to convert angular momentum into linear momentum, then reactionless motors would be common. Please show how to make your conversion without an outside influence. You will not be able to do so. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Linear and Angular Momentum You said "Any forces which operate between the collection of objects taken as a system are not able to convert angular momentum into linear momentum or vice versa." One gas with linear momentum can affect the angular momentum of another gas to cool that gas. This is how helium is liquefied. Yes, this refrigeration process takes energy but linear/angular energy interaction is possible. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 4:17 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: Axil, you need to include the influence of the outside forces that are required to force the Xenon into the coherent direction. This does not happen without assistance. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Linear and Angular Momentum In explanation, when Xenon is forced to move in acoherent direction in a group, translational, rotational and vibrational energyis converted to directional energy and the Xenon atoms are cooled but stillenergetic. Typical set-up for cooling noble gases is the supersonicbeam technique. Such cooling can be done using radio frequency or a high stream jet of high pressure gas whenthe ionized Xenon atoms are forced to move back and forth in unison. Anykinetic energy that the Xenon atoms have is converted to directional energy. So in plain language, Radio frequency or a high speed gas jet will catalyzethe formation of Xenon clusters as the atoms of Xenon are cooled by coherentmotion. The Roundup Think of a collection of Noble gas atoms as a herdof cattle. To begin with the cattle roam around on the prairie aimlessly withboundless energy but not applied to any purpose. To build a herd for a cattledrive, the cowpunchers prod the cattle into a tight bunch during the roundup. Thenthe drovers get the cattle to all go in the same direction as a herd. Thedrovers pack them close, shoulder to short ribs. The cows have little room butto march forward hardly able to move their heads. The cattle are all contentedand well behaved and centered on the mindless march forward, but they are stillare exerting a large amount of energy as they stumble forward to cover ground. In this analogy, the cowpokesare radio frequency radiation (RF) and the constraining coils. Papp talks aboutusing RF in his engines. Xenon is easy to excite using RF because itsbinding energy is low: many orders of magnitude lower than hydrogen. The RFalso produces clusters because the RF get noble gas atoms to all go in the samedirection and the coils pack them tight.. Xenon strongly interacts with RFbecause these molecules have good dipole characteristics like water. Noble gases are cooled and now cancombine and readily form clusters that can be very complex. For example,Helium and Xenon form a family of atomic clusters that behaves like argon. Excited Clustershave a positively charged ionic core composed of possibly hundreds or thousandsof ionized atoms. Around this core of positive charge ions swarm a looselyconnected flight of electrons orbiting on the outside of the cluster core andcan be easily removed from the cluster by ionization. On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:08 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: I just wanted to make a statement about conservation of momentum. Linear momentum and angular momentum are different animals and can not be converted freely. Recently, I have seen proposals that suggest that one can convert linear momentum into angular momentum and that is clearly not possible. You can visualize linear momentum as pertaining to motion of an object or group of objects that are progressing as a group past an observer. The center of mass of the objects is in motion and can be used to calculate the total linear momentum of the subjects. Angular momentum is measured and calculated by observing the rotation of the center of mass of a system of objects. Think of a planet in motion around its central star as an example of this type of momentum. An observer can be stationary with respect to the center of mass of the objects and calculate the magnitude of the collective angular momentum they contain. And, since he is stationary with respect to the center of mass of the objects, they have no linear momentum according to his determination. Any forces which operate between the collection of objects taken as a system are not able to convert angular momentum into linear momentum or vice versa. Dave
