Fran, Nano-geometry is important, no doubt. You may not have seen this high level paper which supports the view that gain in the Lamb shift would derive from ZPF (as opposed to mass-to-energy conversion via spin coupling) but requiring a Stark shift. The Aerospace Corp has been identified with MITRE, so that is why I called it high level.
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA363360 Actually, it could be a bit of both (ZPF and spin coupling). The problem with Haisch and Moddel's experiment, and the likely reason they got null results may relate to not being able to merge the Lamb shift with the Stark effect, which requires photons and probably requires SPP. Problem with that assessment is that with the Rossi experiment, the photons are IR which is not attuned with nano-cavities. The Casimir force may only work in LENR when it is a surface effect of the active particle - what we have call "Casimir pitting" before. That would be true in order to get photons involved, but how? It would have to be a Stark shift on steroids, no? Haisch and Moddel were going for lattice cavities in which all light would be excluded. Nano-pitting of micron sized particles allows photons to interact (for SPP) and may employ the Casimir force and SPP together to upshift IR into UV. That would be very gainful of course - a Stark effect on steroids. -----Original Message----- From: Roarty, Francis X I know Haish and Moddel based their patent on what they turned a Lamb pinch but I remain convinced the underlying source of energy is the passage of virtual particles thru our plane becoming unbalanced from normal physics by quantum geometries. without the nano geometry the random energy is unable to accumulate beyond that which is responsible for random motion of gas or keeping helium from freezing solid at 0k and those effects are already considered as baseline in COE. I think the secret has remained for so long just because it is so powerful it destructively maintains itself and some of the careful manipulations of cleaning and heat sinking we hear about is related to avoiding this self destructive tendency.. When this tech is finally understood I am betting the catalyst or nano geometry powder will be created in vacuum to avoid the self destruction, heat sunk immediately and only loaded with precise mixtures of active and noble gases to counter natures self destruct policy and harness this beast. Fran -----Original Message----- From: Jones Beene -----Original Message----- From: Bob Cook Jones--nice work-- This is not to much different from my original guess as to the reaction of d-d in Pd matrix. Only I guessed the resulting He nucleus was excited in a high spin state and fractioned the energy by spin coupling to the other particles in the system. Bob, I agree that the two are very similar except for one big detail. Spin coupling is a major part of the picture, and we should strive to firm up the details wrt the Lamb Shift. For instance, when we have protons and a ferromagnet (nickel) together, can the two elements spin-couple to continually power an asymmetric Lamb shift with nothing else (like real fusion) or does the mass-loss have to derive from a more dramatic event? The problem with D+D going all the way to fusion to helium in LENR as the main source of gain is that the resultant energy quantum is so very large - that an excited spin state cannot be relied on to give that energy up in very small fractions - at least not every time with few exceptions. Even if this worked 99 times out of 100 there would be more than enough deadly gamma radiation, in the times it did not downshift completely - to be problematic in a kW level device. Leakage will happen. > I did not know about quantum gravity ideas nor the Lamb shift. This is actually the first time it has all come together in a succinct package with the diproton reaction, and with a large bit of mainstream literature backing, in the relevant details. The Lamb shift is usually not considered relevant to LENR since the energy value is low per instance. I do not think that many theorists have reasoned that a "ringing-Lamb-shift" which is happening at THz frequency is a different beast. Names that turn up in a Google search for past advocacy are Biberian and Myron Evans. Jones
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