That is right, Dave. Tungsten oxide is volatile and will vaporize at much lower temperatures than pure tungsten, which makes tungsten look as if it is valorizing.
In addition, the quoted max. temperature for H2-O2 combustion is for the temperature of the flame. This is not the maximum possible temperature. If the energy is released on the surface of the W, the temperature could get much higher. Ed Storms On Mar 18, 2014, at 12:26 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Is it possible that some of the tungsten is burning instead of melting? A > cutting torch actually burns the steel by adding excess oxygen to the region. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Axil Axil <[email protected]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Mar 18, 2014 11:40 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:HHO welding is LENR > > In HHO welding, there is no electric current employed. HHO welding is just > the burning of hydrogen in oxygen. > > > But how does a hydrogen combustion process that produces only 2,660 °C in > heat vaporize tungsten at (5930 °C, 10706 °F). > > This does not add up unless there is LENR involved. > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Roarty, Francis X > <[email protected]> wrote: > Axil, Langmuir was aware of this anomaly and advised not to pursue it when he > developed atomic welding with tungsten electrodes.. some will insist it is > the energy of recombination but if so then welding would not be a constant > flow and one would have to continually stop, build up a reservoir of atomic > hydrogen [which opposes retaining that state] and then weld a little bit to > exhaust the recombination energy in a very short burst to exploit the stored > energy enough to melt tungsten. Since atomic welding is a smooth process and > the electrical energy employed by the arc is not to my knowledge significant > enough to account for the melting capability then yes.. your point is well > taken. > Fran > From: Axil Axil [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:11 PM > To: vortex-l > Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:HHO welding is LENR > > Why is a HHO flame able to vaporize tungsten and yet will not burn the skin > of your hand. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax4sW3bo_dM > > The HHO gas stream contains solid crystals of water. These crystals act like > nano lenses that concentrate infrared light in the boundary layer between a > shiny metal surface and a dielectric gas like hydrogen or oxygen. The science > that studies this effect is called nanoplasmonics. > > The heat energy is confined to the metal surface and locked in(AKA dark mode) > and concentrated their like in a EMF black hole. > > The metal surface is said to have a negative coefficient of reflectivity. > This keeps the heat from leaving the metal surface. In this way the heat > energy builds up to huge temperatures to the point where it will vaporize > tungsten. > > The skin on your hand has a positive index of reflectivity; it is not shiny. > The heat from hydrogen combustion is not confined to the surface of your skin > and can escape to the surrounding air. So you will not be readily burned by > the HHO flame. > > This is a basic LENR effect (aka evanescent wave - > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave) of energy concentration and > focusing. This indicates that the upper temperature limit of the LENR effect > is beyond the temperature required to vaporize tungsten (5930 °C, 10706 °F) > > On the other hand, the combustion temperature of hydrogen is only 2,660 °C > with oxygen. Do I need to spell this out any further? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ceOL83PM24 > > On the downside, spark ignition of HHO does not use the LENR effect of the > evanescent wave. > > So burning hydrogen in oxygen is only combustion and not LENR. > > >
