Mike said [snip] Itg applies to the molecule, not to  atoms themselves.[/snip] 
Agreed! Call it hydrino , fractional or inverted Rydberg no matter but think we 
all agree if the atoms are unbound they will transform between fractional 
states without opposition. To produce excess energy reactions require these 
states to be "bound" by molecular or other means in order to force these 
translations to expend energy. In the case of a molecular bond between hydrinos 
the bond will oppose the normally free translation of the atoms back to ground 
state and it will discount the disassociation threshold..
Fran

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Carrell [mailto:mi...@medleas.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:54 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:The "real" chemical energy of nascent hydrogen

This discussion about the 'real' energy of nascent hydrogen is symptomatic of a 
continuing refusal to red Mills' papers carefully. Is emphasis on *nascent* 
applies to molecules of 'H2O created by chemical reactions apart from the 
liquid state or vapor state. The essential feature the potential energy of the 
nascent [newly created] molecule which fits the 3 times criterion for resnant 
energy transfer in the blacklight reaction. Itg applies to the molecule, not to 
 atoms themselves.

Mike Carrell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:26 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The "real" chemical energy of nascent hydrogen

Does anyone remember who first proposed this for LENR?

Hmmm... could it be Julian Schwinger ???

Not a bad pedigree for the field. 
 

Sorry to pun-ish you, but wouldn't this make Jules the original free swinger ?

“If you can’t join them, beat them.”
- Julian Schwinger, Nobel prize winner in Physics, 1965

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