Thanks for your insights. I have a prototype already built. I am looking to deploy it in the next few days and look at actual generated volumes of water and pressure. If you want an actual operating 3MW power plant, you may have to wait till next year. I can show it to you by then.
My system can be scaled on a per 150kw basis. Each generator is about 150kw. To produce more power, simply add more units of 150kw. Here are the basic stats of a 150kw unit. 1. Rated Power: 150kw Induction Generator. 2. Swell Height required: 0.8m to 2m @8-10 second period. 3. Number of pumps: 504 (grid of 72 by 7 pumps) 4. Coast area occupied by 504 pumps: 55m x 26m @ 18' to 35' depth 5. Generated Pressure: 180psi minus friction loss in pipes 6. Generated Volume: 3773 gpm 7. Cost of each pump: <$15-$30 8. Projected Material Cost: ~$61,500 9. Projected Labor and Deployment Cost: Don't know exactly. Estimated to be around $30,000 10. Operating cost: Labor for 3 engineers to watch the power station 24/7, and maybe 3 divers to perform routine maintenance, plus some general workers. 11. Fuel Cost: Of course zero cost. It's God-given fuel 12. Maintenance Cost: Largely dependent on how long Fire hoses last under permanent immersion in sea water. If they last 10 years, this would be my design lifetime, so maintenance cost would be close to zero. There are no other significant maintenance items that I forsee, other than routine greasing of generator bearings and possibly replacement of bearings every year. The numbers look good although after viewing Randy's SunCell video, I am doubtful my system can compete with it. He says he can deploy for $300/kw but his system does not require the grid. My system requires new grid to be built to the eastern areas of the Philippines - so additional cost I haven't factored in. I am concerned by the Death Spiral of the grid bought on by new LENR technology. My system can compete in terms of generation cost but if the grid collapses, my generators are useless. Although a slight consolation is that the Philippine Grid will probably not collapse at least for another 20 years from the introduction of LENR technologies. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wave Powered Design for less than $200/kw Although it is true that wave power is not as intermittent as other renewables, it is not responsible to point to public policy as the basis for classifying the statistical physics of the source when scaled. You must account for the physics in commensurate terms, such as the cost of storage or other dispatchable generation (such as natural gas turbine). As for the atmospheric vortex engine (which decidedly is not mine -- I had no hand in its invention) your numbers beat the maritime AVE unless the maritime AVE is deployed in the manner in which I _did_ design: Largely self-replicating AVECarbocrete cores -- or some variation thereon such as AVECPVC cores -- with a fast doubling time utilizing in situ resources of the tropical doldrums. If my maritime deployment technique is pursued, it wins due to the superior baseload power. On the other hand, any maritime system may benefit from the addition of your system. When will you have demonstrated your numbers? On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Jojo Iznart <[email protected]> wrote: In the Philippines, Renewables is "Must Take", The distribution company must take everything the renewable power plant can generate. So, I guess that can be considered baseload. Also, wave is not as intermittent as wind and solar. It is very much predictable to within a few days. 48 hour wave forecasts for swells are very accurate to within a few hours, sometimes up to 5 days. When a storm is approaching land fall from the Pacific, this period could last for 2 or more weeks. Currently, I am watching swell patterns that have remained predictable and consistent for over 3 weeks now. We've had a chain of 1 storm followed by 2 tropical drepressions plus another tropical depression predicted to occur in a few days.. The waves and swells have been excellent. If I had my system deployed, I would have made a killing. On a scale of intermittency, I would consider wind, solar, wave, hydro and biomass on this order. Regarding being competitive, is my figure competitive with LENR, with Rossi's hotcat, and more importantly with BLP's suncell. I consider suncell to be a bigger threat because of its portability and its minimal capex. Rossi's system requires an ecosystem of steam equipment and structures, hence could be expensive in capex. Suncell is just a small generator that can be ganged up and hence can be deployed quickly and rather inexpensively. Is my design competitive with your Air Vortex tower generator? Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wave Powered Design for less than $200/kw It is not in the same market as coal. Coal is baseload. But in terms of other intermittent renewables, yes it is competitive if your figures are correct. On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Jojo Iznart <[email protected]> wrote: Hello folks, I would like your feedback on something. I am working on a wave powered power plant design that I think I can deploy for less than $200/kw. At this cost, is it competitive with other power sources. I read from wiki and other sources than Geothermal and Hydro power sources can be deployed for less than $300/kw but I am not sure how accurate this is and what exactly is included in that figure. And for that matter, is my figure competitive with coal? My design consists of deploying wave powered small pumps. Each pump cost less than $15.. I plan to deploy around 10,800 such pumps to generate between 1.4MW to 5MW of electricity depending on the intensity of the waves. Here in the Philippine East coast, we get swell heights of 0.8m to 4m with period of 7-10 seconds. With a design life of 10 years, I figured that I would be able to generate electricity at $0.0019/kwh. You read that right, not 19 cents, but 1/5 of 1 cent per kwh. At this level of cost, I believe this is lower than even Rossi's Hotcat or BLP's suncell, am I correct? With operating cost added, I think I can generate electricty for around $0.005/kwh. At these price and cost levels, I can be very competitive with all currently known electricity sources, including hydro and geothermal and including other wave powered designs. My main concern is how competitive I can be when LENR hits the market. As of today, I only see 2 viable technologies that could possibly hit the market in the short term, Rossi's hotcat and Suncell. I read that the projected cost for Rossi's is 1 cent/kwh and for BLP is about $0.03/kwh. Does anybody have more accurate forcast figures for these two technologies. If this is accurate, I will be very very competitive. Give me your thoughts on how competitive I can be in the new LENR environment. Jojo
