On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 3:17:49 PM UTC+1, Christoph Junghans wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:41 AM, 'Andrey Brukhno' via votca 
> <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: 
> > In this case, it's not an error message which is lost ;) Why does it go 
> to 
> > stderr at all? 
> The code has the reason right there: 
> #print this message to stderr because $(critical something) is used very 
> often 
>
> > Moreover, if I try to run the iteration a second time, everything 
> including 
> > errors is reported back 
> Well that is good, nevertheless we just spend 5 E-Mails back and 
> forth, hunting down a bug you introduced yourself. 
> And I now recall you made that change to filter gromacs "Read frame 
> XXX" message, which is fixed when using a newer gromacs version 
> (>=2016.3), see: 
>
> https://github.com/votca/csg/commit/155eb770873a6f65bac372c9f8c5efc9f3a4be75 
>
> > 
> > Anyway, my primary issue is not about messages, but to make it work 
> > correctly for distributions. 
> Like I said in the other email if section 7.3.2 is right, a mapping 
> file might be needed only for IMC, but even that I think is not true 
> anymore in v1.3.1. 
>

My test IMC iteration went through without tagging the 1:1 CG map file.
 

> So you need to figure out, which exclusions you want to read the ones 
> from the mapping file or the ones the tpr. 
> For the former specify a mapping file or the latter don't. 
>

OK, I preferred the exclusions from topol-rdf.tpr (which appears to work 
now for IBI), so I skipped the map tags in my settings file for IMC too. 
However, the distributions are still wrong in the case of IMC.
 

>
> And then you can use csg_dump with or without --cg option to check the 
> exclusions! 
> $ csg_dump --top topol.tpr --excl 
> or 
> $ csg_dump --top topol.tpr --excl --cg mapping.xml. 
>
> Christoph 
>
> > 
> > Andrey 
> > 
> > On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 2:33:44 PM UTC+1, Christoph Junghans wrote: 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:28 AM, 'Andrey Brukhno' via votca 
> >> <[email protected]> wrote: 
> >> > Christoph, 
> >> > 
> >> > I think I figured why there is no log msg for critical csg_stat in 
> >> > calc_rdfgeneric.sh. 
> >> > The fact is I override the inverse.sh script with the one having this 
> >> > (to 
> >> > avoid all the frame numbers when reading trajectory files): 
> >> > 
> >> >    log="${PWD}/${log##*/}" 
> >> >    export CSGLOG="$log" 
> >> >    if [[ -f $CSGLOG ]]; then 
> >> >      exec 3>&1 4>&2 >> "$CSGLOG" 2>&1 
> >> >      echo -e "\n\n##################################" 
> >> >  #    echo "# Appending to existing logfile #" 
> >> >      echo    "# Appending to logfile (+errors) #" 
> >> >      echo -e "##################################\n\n" 
> >> >      msg --color blue "Appending to existing logfile (+errors) 
> >> > ${CSGLOG##*/}" 
> >> >    else 
> >> >      exec 3>&1 4>&2 >> "$CSGLOG" 2>/dev/null 
> >> >      echo -e "\n\n##################################" 
> >> >      echo    "# Creating new logfile (-errors) #" 
> >> >      echo -e "##################################\n\n" 
> >> >      msg "For a more verbose log see: ${CSGLOG##*/} (or 
> >> > csg_inverse.log)" 
> >> >    fi 
> >> > 
> >> > This worked before and did not affect the workflow. 
> >> Glad, you found it and it is not VOTCA's original code. 
> >> I remember now that you did this modification for a reason, which I 
> >> didn't like exactly because error message will get lost. 
> >> 
> >> Anyhow, well in conclusion if you send the errors to dev/null, you 
> >> won't see some messages (like critical) in the log file. 
> >> 
> >> Christoph 
> >> > 
> >> > Andrey 
> >> > 
> >> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Christoph Junghans <
> [email protected]> 
> >> > wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:46 AM, 'Andrey Brukhno' via votca 
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: 
> >> >> > Sorry, I forgot - below is the output of `grep critical 
> inverse.log' 
> >> >> > for 
> >> >> > one 
> >> >> > iteration: 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Running critical command 'gmx grompp -n index.ndx -f grompp.mdp -p 
> >> >> > topol.top 
> >> >> > -o topol.tpr -c conf.gro' 
> >> >> > Running critical command 'gmx grompp -n index.ndx -f grompp.mdp -p 
> >> >> > topol.top 
> >> >> > -o topol.tpr -c conf.gro' 
> >> >> > Running critical command 'gmx grompp -n index.ndx -f grompp.mdp -p 
> >> >> > topol.top 
> >> >> > -o topol.tpr -c conf.gro' 
> >> >> > Running critical command 'gmx grompp -n index.ndx -f grompp.mdp -p 
> >> >> > topol.top 
> >> >> > -o topol.tpr -c conf.gro' 
> >> >> > Running critical command 'mpirun -n 4 mdrun_mpi -s topol.tpr -c 
> >> >> > confout.gro 
> >> >> > -o traj.trr -x traj.xtc -cpi state.cpt -maxh 47.8289 -multidir 
> sim_0 
> >> >> > sim_1 
> >> >> > sim_2 sim_3 -tablep table.xvg -tableb table_b1.xvg table_b2.xvg 
> >> >> > table_b3.xvg 
> >> >> > table_b4.xvg table_b5.xvg table_a1.xvg table_a2.xvg table_a3.xvg 
> >> >> > table_a4.xvg table_a5.xvg table_d1.xvg table_d2.xvg table_d3.xvg 
> >> >> > table_d4.xvg table_d5.xvg table_d6.xvg' 
> >> >> > Doing: critical csg_stat --nt 4 --options 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> /home/andrey/Work/Models/DOPC-long-wtip4p-new/ibi-Rc1.65nm-freeN-dihs_CG-fits1-151cNT/dopc_cg-int-map11.xml
>  
>
> >> >> > --top topol-rdf.tpr --trj traj.xtc --begin 0 --first-frame 0 
> >> >> > --block-length 
> >> >> > 1000000 --ext dist.block --cg 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> /home/andrey/Work/Models/DOPC-long-wtip4p-new/ibi-Rc1.65nm-freeN-dihs_CG-fits1-151cNT/dopc_cg-map11.xml;
>  
>
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > As you can see, the only mention of `critical csg_stat' is due to 
> my 
> >> >> > addition of echo. 
> >> >> Well, the other lines with "Running critical command" show that the 
> >> >> logging actually works. 
> >> >> Did you overload calc_rdf_generic.sh with your own version? 
> >> >> Otherwise, I would say your installation is bourked up. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Christoph 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Andrey 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 1:17:32 PM UTC+1, Christoph Junghans 
> >> >> > wrote: 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:39 AM, 'Andrey Brukhno' via votca 
> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:22 AM, Christoph Junghans 
> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> 
> >> >> >> > wrote: 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 1:27 PM, 'Andrey Brukhno' via votca 
> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: 
> >> >> >> >> > Thanks for your reply Christoph. 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > I did check it, but inverse.log does not contain sufficient 
> >> >> >> >> > info, 
> >> >> >> >> > see 
> >> >> >> >> > the 
> >> >> >> >> > extract below. 
> >> >> >> >> > I will be investigating it further to make sure I did not do 
> >> >> >> >> > anything 
> >> >> >> >> > stupid 
> >> >> >> >> > myself, although I haven't changed much for the test 
> iteration 
> >> >> >> >> > except 
> >> >> >> >> > recompiling the tpr files for the newer version of Gromacs). 
> >> >> >> >> The " rdf calculation is already done" tells me that this is 
> not 
> >> >> >> >> a 
> >> >> >> >> run 
> >> >> >> >> from scratch. 
> >> >> >> >> Try a fresh run, because some chance in the xml don't get 
> >> >> >> >> populated 
> >> >> >> >> until the next iteration step. 
> >> >> >> >>  And grep for "csg_stat" (not rdf), you should see actually 
> >> >> >> >> command, 
> >> >> >> >> which got run, e.g.: 
> >> >> >> >> "Running critical command 'csg_stat --nt 4 --options 
> settings.xml 
> >> >> >> >> --top topol.tpr --trj traj.xtc --begin 20 --first-frame 0' " 
> >> >> >> >> From that you can see if all the options are read as excepted. 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > I knew you were going to say this... 
> >> >> >> > As a matter of fact, there is no such message from 
> >> >> >> > calc_rdf_generic.sh, 
> >> >> >> > but 
> >> >> >> > instead: 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >   msg "Calculating rdfs with csg_stat using $tasks tasks" 
> >> >> >> >   critical csg_stat --nt $tasks --options "$CSGXMLFILE" --top 
> >> >> >> > "$topol" 
> >> >> >> > --trj 
> >> >> >> > "$traj" --begin $equi_time --first-frame $first_frame 
> >> >> >> > ${error_opts} 
> >> >> >> > ${maps:+--cg ${maps}} 
> >> >> >> >   mark_done "rdf_calculation${suffix}" 
> >> >> >> Well the "critical" function includes the print statement: 
> >> >> >> critical() { 
> >> >> >>   [[ $quiet = "no" ]] && echo "Running critical command '$*'" >&2 
> >> >> >>    "$@" || die "${FUNCNAME[0]}: '$*' failed" 
> >> >> >> } 
> >> >> >> So I am not sure when that got lost in your case. 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > so I had to add this after the msg and before the csg_stat 
> call: 
> >> >> >> >   echo "Doing: critical csg_stat --nt $tasks --options 
> >> >> >> > "$CSGXMLFILE" 
> >> >> >> > --top 
> >> >> >> > "$topol" --trj "$traj" --begin $equi_time --first-frame 
> >> >> >> > $first_frame 
> >> >> >> > ${error_opts} ${maps:+--cg ${maps}}" 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > This shows me that topol-rdf.tpr is actually used (extract from 
> >> >> >> > inverse.log): 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Make update for ibi 
> >> >> >> > Calculating rdfs with csg_stat using 4 tasks 
> >> >> >> > Doing: critical csg_stat --nt 4 --options 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > 
> /home/andrey/Work/Models/DOPC-long-wtip4p-new/ibi-Rc1.65nm-freeN-dihs_CG-fits1-151cT/dopc_cg-int-map11.xml
>  
>
> >> >> >> > --top topol-rdf.tpr --trj traj.xtc --begin 0 --first-frame 0 
> >> >> >> > --block-length 
> >> >> >> > 1000000 --ext dist.block --cg 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > 
> /home/andrey/Work/Models/DOPC-long-wtip4p-new/ibi-Rc1.65nm-freeN-dihs_CG-fits1-151cT/dopc_cg-map11.xml;
>  
>
> >> >> >> > begin to calculate distribution functions 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > However, the distributions are still wrong, and I am lost now 
> as 
> >> >> >> > to 
> >> >> >> > which 
> >> >> >> > program to blame (again all the initial files are the same as 
> in 
> >> >> >> > my 
> >> >> >> > previous 
> >> >> >> > iteration). 
> >> >> >> > I compared the outputs of `gmx dump topol-rdf.tpr' and `gmx 
> dump 
> >> >> >> > topol.tpr' 
> >> >> >> > generated with the new Gromacs and everything seems alright, 
> the 
> >> >> >> > relevant 
> >> >> >> > differences in exclusion lists are there. 
> >> >> >> > The problem is also that the original calculation was done on a 
> >> >> >> > cluster 
> >> >> >> > more 
> >> >> >> > than a year ago, so I cannot reproduce exactly all the 
> >> >> >> > installation 
> >> >> >> > setup, 
> >> >> >> > not on my desktop anyway. But I know that those calculations 
> were 
> >> >> >> > correct 
> >> >> >> > and well converged. 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > So something should have changed somewhere within the newly 
> >> >> >> > installed 
> >> >> >> > Gromacs/VOTCA combination. 
> >> >> >> You can see what VOTCA has with: 
> >> >> >> csg_dump --top topol-rdf.tpr --cg dopc_cg-map11.xml 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Remember, if you are using a mapping file ("--cg" option) 
> exclusions 
> >> >> >> from the topology file are ignored and the ones from the mapping 
> >> >> >> file 
> >> >> >> are used instead. 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Christoph 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > Andrey 
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> Christoph 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > Andrey 
> >> >> >> >> > ----- 
> >> >> >> >> > $ grep rdf inverse.log 
> >> >> >> >> > ... 
> >> >> >> >> > cp_from_main_dir: 'grompp.mdp* topol.top* topol-rdf.tpr 
> >> >> >> >> > table_??.xvg 
> >> >> >> >> > index.ndx* conf.gro*' 
> >> >> >> >> > cp_from_main_dir: 'grompp.mdp* topol.top* topol-rdf.tpr 
> >> >> >> >> > table_??.xvg 
> >> >> >> >> > index.ndx* conf.gro*' 
> >> >> >> >> > cp_from_main_dir: 'grompp.mdp* topol.top* topol-rdf.tpr 
> >> >> >> >> > table_??.xvg 
> >> >> >> >> > index.ndx* conf.gro*' 
> >> >> >> >> > cp_from_main_dir: 'grompp.mdp* topol.top* topol-rdf.tpr 
> >> >> >> >> > table_??.xvg 
> >> >> >> >> > index.ndx* conf.gro*' 
> >> >> >> >> > cp_from_main_dir: 'grompp.mdp* topol.top* topol-rdf.tpr 
> >> >> >> >> > table_??.xvg 
> >> >> >> >> > index.ndx* conf.gro*' 
> >> >> >> >> > ‘sim_0/topol-rdf.tpr’ -> ‘./topol-rdf.tpr’ 
> >> >> >> >> > Calculating rdfs with csg_stat using 4 tasks 
> >> >> >> >> > Calculating average rdfs and its errors for interaction 
> TCH-TCH 
> >> >> >> >> > rdf calculation is already done 
> >> >> >> >> > Calculating average rdfs and its errors for interaction 
> TCH-TCO 
> >> >> >> >> > rdf calculation is already done 
> >> >> >> >> > Calculating average rdfs and its errors for interaction 
> TCO-TCO 
> >> >> >> >> > rdf calculation is already done 
> >> >> >> >> > Calculating average rdfs and its errors for interaction 
> TCH-PO 
> >> >> >> >> > rdf calculation is already done 
> >> >> >> >> > Calculating average rdfs and its errors for interaction 
> TCH-NH 
> >> >> >> >> > rdf calculation is already done 
> >> >> >> >> > Calculating average rdfs and its errors for interaction 
> TCO-PO 
> >> >> >> >> > rdf calculation is already done 
> >> >> >> >> > Calculating average rdfs and its errors for interaction 
> TCO-NH 
> >> >> >> >> > rdf calculation is already done 
> >> >> >> >> > Calculating average rdfs and its errors for interaction 
> PO-PO 
> >> >> >> >> > rdf calculation is already done 
> >> >> >> >> > Calculating average rdfs and its errors for interaction 
> PO-NH 
> >> >> >> >> > rdf calculation is already done 
> >> >> >> >> > Calculating average rdfs and its errors for interaction 
> NH-NH 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Christoph Junghans 
> >> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> 
> >> >> >> >> > wrote: 
> >> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 9:01 PM, 'Andrey Brukhno' via votca 
> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: 
> >> >> >> >> >> > Hello, 
> >> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> >> > I encountered a very strange (looks like legacy) issue 
> with 
> >> >> >> >> >> > v1.4.1. 
> >> >> >> >> >> > In my earlier IBI iterations (with v1.3) I normally used 
> >> >> >> >> >> > special 
> >> >> >> >> >> > topol-rdf.tpr which was different from normal CG 
> simulation 
> >> >> >> >> >> > topol.tpr 
> >> >> >> >> >> > by 
> >> >> >> >> >> > not 
> >> >> >> >> >> > including the intra-molecular pairs in the RDF stats 
> (done 
> >> >> >> >> >> > by 
> >> >> >> >> >> > csg_stat). 
> >> >> >> >> >> > I 
> >> >> >> >> >> > wanted to make sure my previous results are reproduced by 
> >> >> >> >> >> > v1.4.1, 
> >> >> >> >> >> > so 
> >> >> >> >> >> > copied 
> >> >> >> >> >> > all the initialisation files into a new directory and 
> tried 
> >> >> >> >> >> > to 
> >> >> >> >> >> > run 
> >> >> >> >> >> > once 
> >> >> >> >> >> > again. After the very first iteration I checked the 
> obtained 
> >> >> >> >> >> > RDFs 
> >> >> >> >> >> > and 
> >> >> >> >> >> > they 
> >> >> >> >> >> > were all wrong - corresponding to normal topol.tpr 
> >> >> >> >> >> > (including 
> >> >> >> >> >> > intra-pairs) 
> >> >> >> >> >> > and not topol-rdf.tpr (excluding intra-pairs)! 
> >> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> >> > I guess there might have been changes made to locations 
> or 
> >> >> >> >> >> > names 
> >> >> >> >> >> > of 
> >> >> >> >> >> > tags 
> >> >> >> >> >> > in 
> >> >> >> >> >> > settings.xml between the VOTCA versions, but I could not 
> >> >> >> >> >> > identify 
> >> >> >> >> >> > those 
> >> >> >> >> >> > changes by referring to the most recent manual (both 
> v1.4.1 
> >> >> >> >> >> > and 
> >> >> >> >> >> > development 
> >> >> >> >> >> > versions). 
> >> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> >> > Below is the relevant extract from my settings.xml file. 
> >> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> >> > Any clue, hint, advice are most welcome! 
> >> >> >> >> >> We haven't changes any tags in IBI since v1.4.1 and the 
> >> >> >> >> >> special 
> >> >> >> >> >> topology for IBI can be set by 
> >> >> >> >> >> cg.inverse.<sim_prog>.rdf.topol, 
> >> >> >> >> >> which 
> >> >> >> >> >> you did below. 
> >> >> >> >> >> You could try "grep csg_stat inverse.log" to figure out if 
> the 
> >> >> >> >> >> right 
> >> >> >> >> >> topology got appended to the command line of csg_stat. 
> >> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> >> Christoph 
> >> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks in advance. 
> >> >> >> >> >> > Andrey 
> >> >> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> >> >> > ----------- 
> >> >> >> >> >> >     <gromacs> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       <grompp> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         <bin>gmx grompp</bin> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         <!--opts></opts--> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       </grompp> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       <mdrun> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         <!--command>grmx-vtc-rerun.sh</command--> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         <!--command>mpirun -lsf mdrun_mpi</command--> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         <!--opts>-multidir sim_0 sim_1 sim_2 
> sim_3</opts--> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         <command>mpirun -n 4 mdrun_mpi</command> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         <opts>-multidir sim_0 sim_1 sim_2 sim_3 -tablep 
> >> >> >> >> >> > table.xvg 
> >> >> >> >> >> > -tableb 
> >> >> >> >> >> > table_b?.xvg table_a?.xvg table_d?.xvg</opts> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       </mdrun> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       <!--mdrun><opts>-nt 2</opts></mdrun--> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       <!-- trash so many frames at the beginning --> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       <equi_time>0</equi_time> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       <!-- grid for table*.xvg !--> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       <table_bins>0.001</table_bins> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       <!-- cut the potential at this value (gromacs bug) 
> --> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       <pot_max>10000</pot_max> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       <!-- extend the tables to this value --> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       <table_end>2.5</table_end> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       
> <initial_configuration>maindir</initial_configuration> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       <rdf> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         <block_length><DESC>Length of the block for the 
> >> >> >> >> >> > error 
> >> >> >> >> >> > analysis</DESC> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >           1000000 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         </block_length> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         <map><DESC>Special mapping file for rdf 
> calculations 
> >> >> >> >> >> > needed 
> >> >> >> >> >> > for 
> >> >> >> >> >> > bonded interactions</DESC> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >           dopc_cg-map11.xml 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         </map> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         <topol><DESC> Gromacs binary topol (tpr) file to 
> be 
> >> >> >> >> >> > used 
> >> >> >> >> >> > for 
> >> >> >> >> >> > csg_stat</DESC> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >           topol-rdf.tpr 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         </topol> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         <with_errors>yes<DESC>calculate error on the rdf: 
> >> >> >> >> >> > yes/no</DESC> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >         </with_errors> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >       </rdf> 
> >> >> >> >> >> >     </gromacs> 
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