andy,

did you try single user mode?   when i sent my reply, i assumed that was
the first thing you tried.

begin andy wergedal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I have waited but no time out.
> I have removed all cards, and waited again but no timeout.
> 
> When I press ctl-atl-del it skips to the next few modules but then shutsdown and 
>reboots (like it should).
> 
> -- Andy
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