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You will! Brian Yates -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: vox-tech Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17 Send vox-tech mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of vox-tech digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: problematic computer (when installing linux) (Jonathan Stickel) 2. Re: problematic computer (when installing linux) (Mark K. Kim) 3. Samba print problem (Richard Harke) 4. Re: problematic computer (when installing linux) [fixed] (Dylan Beaudette) 5. Re: problematic computer (when installing linux) [fixed] (Rick Moen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:42:12 -0800 From: Jonathan Stickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [vox-tech] problematic computer (when installing linux) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], lugod's technical discussion forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Can I assume you've googled about your particular hardware? Maybe your CD/DVD just won't play nice with DMA. One thing worth trying is to see how your computer behaves with KNOPPIX. When booting knoppix, do: knoppix dma to enable dma support of your drives. If everything works, then you know your hardware is OK as long as it gets detected/configured properly. HTH, Jonathan Dylan Beaudette wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have a machine here that is starting to drive me crazy. It is a Compaq > Pentiumm III class machine, with integrated everything, and a funky case. > > I have tried just about every flavor of linux, and only 1 (SUSE 9.1) would > even install. Even after I installed it, any attempts by the OS to enable > DMA access to one of the CDROMS led to a nasty crash. > > The CD drives function perfectly from windows, and in SUSE 9.1 when in it > DMA mode...However, every linux install CD barfs about half way though the > install process... > > The offending IDE controller is an Intel 82801AA. > > So it has come down to a couple options: > 1. use windows, and put up with all the crap associated with it (obviously > not ideal) > > 2. re-install SUSE 9.1 and put up with broken DVD playback (needs DMA) and > funky sound > > 3. replace some of the hardware and install Debian / Yoper > > My question to the list is: Does anyone know where one can get a hold of > some decent pentium III class hardware that I can use to put together a > working machine. Ideally a mini Shuttle-type system would be ideal, but > they seem to price out at about $400 minimum. > > Any ideas? > > thanks, > > Dylan > _______________________________________________ > vox-tech mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:30:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Mark K. Kim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [vox-tech] problematic computer (when installing linux) To: "lugod's technical discussion forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII While you're checking for DMA, see if Windows uses DMA, too. If Windows does but Linux can't, then there's a problem. To check it, go to [Control Panel] -> [System] -> [Device Manager] -> select the IDE controllers -> [Properties] -> second tab. :: why do i know these things off the top of my head...? -_-' :: -Mark On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Jonathan Stickel wrote: > Can I assume you've googled about your particular hardware? Maybe your > CD/DVD just won't play nice with DMA. One thing worth trying is to see > how your computer behaves with KNOPPIX. When booting knoppix, do: > > knoppix dma > > to enable dma support of your drives. If everything works, then you > know your hardware is OK as long as it gets detected/configured properly. > > HTH, > Jonathan > > > Dylan Beaudette wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have a machine here that is starting to drive me crazy. It is a Compaq > > Pentiumm III class machine, with integrated everything, and a funky case. > > > > I have tried just about every flavor of linux, and only 1 (SUSE 9.1) would > > even install. Even after I installed it, any attempts by the OS to enable > > DMA access to one of the CDROMS led to a nasty crash. > > > > The CD drives function perfectly from windows, and in SUSE 9.1 when in it > > DMA mode...However, every linux install CD barfs about half way though the > > install process... > > > > The offending IDE controller is an Intel 82801AA. > > > > So it has come down to a couple options: > > 1. use windows, and put up with all the crap associated with it (obviously > > not ideal) > > > > 2. re-install SUSE 9.1 and put up with broken DVD playback (needs DMA) and > > funky sound > > > > 3. replace some of the hardware and install Debian / Yoper > > > > My question to the list is: Does anyone know where one can get a hold of > > some decent pentium III class hardware that I can use to put together a > > working machine. Ideally a mini Shuttle-type system would be ideal, but > > they seem to price out at about $400 minimum. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > thanks, > > > > Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > > vox-tech mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > > > _______________________________________________ > vox-tech mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > -- Mark K. Kim AIM: markus kimius Homepage: http://www.cbreak.org/ Xanga: http://www.xanga.com/vindaci Friendster: http://www.friendster.com/user.php?uid=13046 PGP key fingerprint: 7324 BACA 53AD E504 A76E 5167 6822 94F0 F298 5DCE PGP key available on the homepage ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:54:17 -0800 From: Richard Harke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [vox-tech] Samba print problem To: "lugod's technical discussion forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have samba set up on my linux box so my wife can print from Windows. Currently, it is not working from her laptop running Windows XP When I double click the printer icon on the network panel, a window opens up to show her print jobs on my machine but the title bar contains "Access denied" In the log (log.smbd) on my machine I see smbd/service.c:make_connection(77) suelaptop (192.168.0.33) couldn't find service ::{ bunch of hex} then lib/fault.c:fault_report(36) =============================== lib/fault.c:fault_report(37) INTERNAL ERROR : Signal 11 in pid 4148 (3.0.4 Debian) Please read the appendix Bugs of the Samba HOWTO collection I couldn't find such an appendix Does anyone have any idea? Richard Harke ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:41:54 -0800 From: Dylan Beaudette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [vox-tech] problematic computer (when installing linux) [fixed] To: "lugod's technical discussion forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Tuesday 16 November 2004 07:42 pm, Jonathan Stickel wrote: > Can I assume you've googled about your particular hardware? Maybe your > CD/DVD just won't play nice with DMA. One thing worth trying is to see > how your computer behaves with KNOPPIX. When booting knoppix, do: > > knoppix dma > > to enable dma support of your drives. If everything works, then you > know your hardware is OK as long as it gets detected/configured properly. > > HTH, > Jonathan Thanks Jonhathan! I was hoping to install debian on this machine from the netinst Sarge RC1 netinst CD: in order to disable DMA you must start the 'expert' installer, and pass ide=nodma to the IDE modules.... so far so good! However, things got messy when some packages refused to install (exim4 and some others...) so i gave up on debian. With the Yoper 2.1 CD, i was able to boot and install the system with the boot arguments 'novesa ide=nodma' After the install everything seems to be in working order!! What did we learn about all of this...? 1. on this particular machine (possibly funky CDROM drives that don't like DMA) passing the parameter 'ide=nodma' got the install going. once the system was booted, i re-enabled DMA for the hard disk, but not for the CDROM drives. 2. I will check on the DMA status while in whindows, and write back with my findings (thanks for the idea Mark!) -- Dylan Beaudette Soil Science Graduate Group University of California at Davis > Dylan Beaudette wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I have a machine here that is starting to drive me crazy. It is a Compaq > > Pentiumm III class machine, with integrated everything, and a funky case. > > > > I have tried just about every flavor of linux, and only 1 (SUSE 9.1) > > would even install. Even after I installed it, any attempts by the OS to > > enable DMA access to one of the CDROMS led to a nasty crash. > > > > The CD drives function perfectly from windows, and in SUSE 9.1 when in it > > DMA mode...However, every linux install CD barfs about half way though > > the install process... > > > > The offending IDE controller is an Intel 82801AA. > > > > So it has come down to a couple options: > > 1. use windows, and put up with all the crap associated with it > > (obviously not ideal) > > > > 2. re-install SUSE 9.1 and put up with broken DVD playback (needs DMA) > > and funky sound > > > > 3. replace some of the hardware and install Debian / Yoper > > > > My question to the list is: Does anyone know where one can get a hold of > > some decent pentium III class hardware that I can use to put together a > > working machine. Ideally a mini Shuttle-type system would be ideal, but > > they seem to price out at about $400 minimum. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > thanks, > > > > Dylan > > _______________________________________________ > > vox-tech mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > > _______________________________________________ > vox-tech mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:32:15 -0800 From: Rick Moen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [vox-tech] problematic computer (when installing linux) [fixed] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Quoting Dylan Beaudette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > in order to disable DMA you must start the 'expert' installer, and > pass ide=nodma to the IDE modules.... so far so good! However, things > got messy when some packages refused to install (exim4 and some > others...) so i gave up on debian. > > With the Yoper 2.1 CD, i was able to boot and install the system with > the boot arguments 'novesa ide=nodma' These kernel command-line arguments to selectively disable some of the sometimes-problematic hardware autorecognition routines (plus ACPI, etc.) can be really, really useful in installing modern Linux distributions onto (in particular) older boxes. Vexingly[1], though, they _aren't standardised_. Grrr! Have a look at the famous "Knoppix cheatcodes" list: http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/CheatCodes As comprehensive as the Knoppix list is, your "novesa" and "ide=nodma" appear nowhere on it: Instead of "novesa", you would say "xmodule=[SomeModuleName]". Instead of "ide=nodma", you would say "nodma". So, I have to wonder: Where are these differences between / among distributions entering into the picture? The reason this has come forcefully to my attention is that this guy wrote to me in e-mail, a couple of weeks ago: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=15125#post15125 He's brand-new to Linux, and had found my Web page[2] concerning Linux suport for the Dell Inspiron 7000 laptop, which he also owns -- and on which I've run Debian happily for many years. He attempted to install the Debian-derived Ubuntu Linux distribution, and got this: cdrom-detect: searching for Ubuntu installation media ide-cd 0x28 timed out hdc: DMA interrupt recovery hdc: lost interupt hdc: status error 0x58 drive ready seekrequest datarequest hdc: status error 0x00 hdc: drive not ready for command As it turned out, he was able to get around the problem by swapping CD-ROM drives for one of a different BIOS rev. (as reported on the above-mentioned Ubuntu Linux thread), but one of the suggestions I was going to make was to try the installer with IDE DMA disabled. Which begs the question: How does one do that on arbitrary Linux distributions, if they all implement kernel command-line options differently? (Yes, I do know that more-conservative Linux distributions' kernels disable fancy addressing modes for IDE, by default.) [1] As opposed to "vox-ingly". [2] http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/inspiron7000.html -- Cheers, "Plus ça change...." Rick Moen http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/pictures/1861-versus-2004.jpeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S.: http://www.sorryeverybody.com/gallery/1/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech End of vox-tech Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17 *************************************** --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.783 / Virus Database: 529 - Release Date: 10/25/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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