Gentleman, Do any of you write code for video games at an advanced level or know someone who does. I have what is a unique idea for a video game that I would like to propose.
Let me know. Brian Yates [email protected] (916) 536-0509 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: vox-tech Digest, Vol 57, Issue 16 Send vox-tech mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of vox-tech digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Help with USB Hard drive (Scott Miller) 2. Re: Help with USB Hard drive (Bill Broadley) 3. Re: Help with USB Hard drive (chris) 4. Re: Help with USB Hard drive (Bill Broadley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:03:50 -0800 From: Scott Miller <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [vox-tech] Help with USB Hard drive To: "lugod's technical discussion forum" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey yeah FAT32 is not journaling either, so if there is every a power blip or cut of connection there is zero recovery from the file system (if that is a concern). This wikipedia page is one of my favorites, btw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:01, ALLO (Alfredo Lopez De Leon) <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi ken and Matthew, > > Awesome info! I'll give it a try :-) > > Ken: does this answer your question? > > Disk /dev/sdf: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sdf1 1 121601 976760001 b W95 FAT32 > > By the way I decided to use FAT32 so I can move the drive between several machines. But.., I may decide to get another one ($150.00 at Fry's final price) and do the "/dev/disk/by-id/xxxx" but with an ext3 partition which will be much more efficient. > > Thanks!!! > Alfredo > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chanoch (Ken) Bloom > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:03 AM > To: lugod's technical discussion forum > Subject: Re: [vox-tech] Help with USB Hard drive > > > That's an assumption the operating system makes because most USB drives are thumb drives and the like, single-user disks that come and go. You can change that, though. > > Create a rule to identify the device uniquely in udev and to assign it a permenant device node (I can't tell you exactly how to do this, it will depend on being able to find something like a serial number that udev can use to identify it.), then add that device node to /etc/fstab, with appropriate mount options. > > Just out of curiousity, what's the block size (the size occupied by a 1 byte file) on a 1 TB fat32 drive? > > --Ken > > -- > Ken (Chanoch) Bloom. PhD candidate. Linguistic Cognition Laboratory. > Department of Computer Science. Illinois Institute of Technology. > http://www.iit.edu/~kbloom1/ > _______________________________________________ > vox-tech mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:53:09 -0800 From: Bill Broadley <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [vox-tech] Help with USB Hard drive To: lugod's technical discussion forum <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Scott Miller wrote: > Hey yeah FAT32 is not journaling either, so if there is every a power > blip or cut of connection there is zero recovery from the file system > (if that is a concern). Er, there is recovery, it's called, er, umm, chkdsk or something? I think there's a fsck.vfat as well. Speaking of which another of my pet peeves/rants. Journals rely on perfectly reliable hardware, drivers, cables, and software. Unfortunately the real world isn't so kind. So the reality is that the periodic fsck gives a much stronger statement of a file systems integrity than a simple journal unroll. Based on my experience the quality of the file system and hardware is hugely more important than the existence or lack of journaling. In fact if anything I've seen more issues with xfs and reiser than I have with ext2 or ext3 (percentage wise, not in absolute terms). I'm not against journals and run ext3 most commonly, but journals are mostly about quick boot/mount times, not safer, and actually they tend to less safe. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:03:01 -0800 From: chris <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [vox-tech] Help with USB Hard drive To: lugod's technical discussion forum <[email protected]> Message-ID: <1235185381.7401.7.ca...@chris-hpdv5k> Content-Type: text/plain On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 17:53 -0800, Bill Broadley wrote: > Er, there is recovery, it's called, er, umm, chkdsk or something?u are I think > there's a fsck.vfat as well. chkdsk is only good for saving readable text, if it is .exe you want back then you are mostly screwed. journal roll back will only lose that data recently added, instead of the entire fs. So basicly, save oven and make plenty copies. -- chris <[email protected]> http://digitalatoll.flnet.org/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:26:26 -0800 From: Bill Broadley <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [vox-tech] Help with USB Hard drive To: [email protected], lugod's technical discussion forum <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 chris wrote: > On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 17:53 -0800, Bill Broadley wrote: > >> Er, there is recovery, it's called, er, umm, chkdsk or something?u are I think >> there's a fsck.vfat as well. > > chkdsk is only good for saving readable text, if it is .exe you want > back then you are mostly screwed. Really, I don't recall such restrictions, but it's been a very long time so I'll just blame my memory. fsck.vfat mentions fixing quite a few things. > journal roll back will only lose that > data recently added, instead of the entire fs. As mentioned, that's the theory, if everything is perfect. Alas the real world means that block numbers, contents, messages, drivers, etc during an issue (like a power supply failure, brownout) or even just a driver bug. It could even be something as subtle as a vibration. > So basicly, save oven and > make plenty copies. Sure, rsync, backups, version control etc. The way I do things like this is: * Email keep it on server, backup the server (backuppc in my cse) * source code remote subversion server (again backed up by backuppc) * Important non-source code related files rsync The rest... when it dies I consider it house cleaning. > > > > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ vox-tech mailing list [email protected] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech End of vox-tech Digest, Vol 57, Issue 16 **************************************** _______________________________________________ vox-tech mailing list [email protected] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
