On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 06:24:49PM -0500, Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> 
> > recently (end of december last year) somebody posted
> > a mystic message to one of the german webhosting lists
> > stating, that vserver is insecure, and that he would
> > suggest not to use it (no details where given) ...
> >
> > it 'seems' that the poster was worried about the
> > ability to sniff network packets from other vservers
> > on the same host, when inside a vserver.
> 
> Could he have been referring to CAP_NET_RAW? I saw a few docs suggesting

probably ...

> that it needs to be enabled in order for ping to work. IMHO that's not
> very good advice, since it allows a vserver user to send all kinds of crap
> from within vserver to the network. An evil creative mind could come up
> with some way to jeopardize security/stability with raw net access.

well, nobody concerned with security, would enable
something named 'CAP_NET_RAW' without making sure
that this doesn't weaken the security, right?

> The best way to deal with ping (and traceroute) is probably to replace
> those commands with clients to some kind of a pingd/tracerouted daemon
> running on the main server that would perform the ping and return the
> output.

some tools (traceroute or tracepath) make use of udp 
instead of icmp, which is no big deal in a vserver, 
only ping 'requires' the insecure icmp/raw access ...

HTH,
Herbert

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