On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 08:08:34PM +0100, Hans Ulrich Niedermann wrote: > Herbert Poetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 11:23:03AM +0100, Hans Ulrich Niedermann wrote: > > [ Vserver guest systems are different from normal systems, and thus > require special handling services for klogd and hardware access. > Herbert Poetzl says "just disable the services" > Hans Ulrich Niedermann says "provide dummy packages to replace the > services". ] > > >> And for the other hardware stuff Herbert mentioned (random, rtc, > >> usb)... theoretically, this vserver-guest package could pull in > >> dependencies on adapted versions, or provide virtual packages which > >> aren't useful on the guest system. > > > > hmm, yes, would be an option, but what is the problem > > with simply disabling those services? > > > > just as an example: Mandrake has a tool called chkconfig > > where you simply do > > > > chkconfig --del network > > > > and it removes all the links from the various runlevels > > so that 'network' isn't started anymore ... > > The problem is that as soon as the next update to the "network" > package happens it will re-enable the service. > > So you have to manually stop it and disable it (ugly, error prone, > maintenance intensive) or write a hook for your packaging system to > stop it (still ugly).
wait you are saying that your distro re-enables disabled services when they get updated? sounds like a bug to me, I would not want a distro to decide which services I run, just consider the security impact, when I disable telnet and the distro decides to re-enable it 'just' because a new telnet package was available ... I do not think that any serious distro will do that ... so I guess it is 'safe' to disable those services right after guest installation ... > > doing the same for klogd, while leaving syslogd untouched > > would be precisely what you want here ... > > If I want it disabled permanently, why install it in the first place? > > The less obsolete stuff on the (vserver guest) system, the better. sure, nothing against a streamlined guest distro I do that myself for my linux-vserver guests, but there are other folks out there which _want_ to use a guest as close as it can be to default install and hey, if they want all those packages lying around I'm not going to stop them ... > > (similar is true for all the hardware specific stuff) > > Exactly my point :) ah, good, we agree here *G* > Gru�, > > Uli best, Herbert > _______________________________________________ > Vserver mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver _______________________________________________ Vserver mailing list [email protected] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
