On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 10:33:46AM -0400, Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy wrote: > > On Tue, 3 May 2005, Sam Vilain wrote: > > >Bootstrapping Images > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >The status of debootstrap and `rpmstrap' in the current utilities was > >briefly discussed, so that vservers of lots of different types could > >easily be built without installing extra utilities manually. > > I haven't seen this being discussed on the list, I hope I'm not about to > say anything sacreligious, but am I in the minority to think that the > build tools do not belong in util-vserver at all? > > I think that util-vserver should provide the absolute minimal build > capability as proof-of-concept tucked away somehwehre in an examples/ > subdirectory _only_. The job of writing/maintaining build tools belongs > with distribution maintainers (or whoever else wants to take it up). > > When I set out to write what is now known as OpenVPS (which ATM is Fedora > based), I wanted to use util-vserver as much as possible, but in the end > found that since you ultimately end up having to figure out the intricate > details of the underlying mechanism (rpm in my case), it ends up being > easier to interface with rpm directly rather than via util-vserver > scripts. They served as a pretty good example and a starting point, and > that's about all the value I got from them. (We're actually more and more > relying on Python bindings for a lot of rpm and vserver calls) > > Granted, there is an apparent chicken-and-egg problem here - linux vserver > needs to be easy to use to gain more traction and that requires build > images, and distribution maintainers are not going to take on complex > tasks like this without there being sufficient "coolness". But I think a > lot more can be done through advocacy and solicitation rather than > actually trying to do it. > > I also think more effort was put towards bringing core utilities towards > mint condition (with man pages and everything) would go a lot further > towards overall value for the project than focusing on build tools. > > Am I being off my nut here? (If so, that's OK, been there before!)
heh, how far is OpenVPS now? and what about it's 'current' targets/aims/whatever ... maybe you could give a short overview? TIA, Herbert > Grisha > _______________________________________________ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver _______________________________________________ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
