On Mon, Nov 27, 2006 at 05:28:36PM +0100, Robert Michel wrote: > Salve! > > I'm a student and for years interested in Gnu/Linux(Debian) and mobile > communication. By thinking what a modern phone could do and what a > user realy can do with such phones (developed for the network provider > and the prospects of the phone sellers...) makes me realy sick. ;( > > So I descided to do not spend my time on developing software for such > resticted devices and to wait for a free open phone. > Even the first Linux based phones like the A760 from Motorola does > disapoint me, because the published only the kernel (after a long fight > to do this) but modification woul'd not be easy, because so much isn't > published or documented. > > Because of the power of the network provider I didn't expected a > free open (linux) very fast and thought the first free Linux phone > would be a selfmade one with the combination of PDA and a GSM card. > > Surprises of the year: > #1 Trolltec anounced some month ago the "green phone" for developers. > With 700$ quite expensive and AFAIK not realy free - it belongs to > licences with trolltec and probably to use binarys from them. > > #2 FIC announced on 2006_11_07 at the "Open Source in Mobile Conference" > in amsterdam their phone Neo1973 and their open Linux developer > plattform OpenMoko: > > http://www.openmoko.com > Presentation slides: > http://www.openmoko.com/files/OpenMoko_Amsterdam.pdf > > When I saw this slides via internet, especialy slide #6 ;) > > ---------------------------- > > > Oh and well, one more feature. > > > An adaption of my favorite command in all > > > of computing. > > > root at filebuntu:~# apt-get install _ > > > ---------------------------- > > By reading this, I was 100% shure that the people behind this project > are the right on and that a dream has come true. > Then I found out that also Harald Welte (you know him from > gpl-violations issues) was involved in starting this project: > http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2006/11/08/ > :)))) > And he already hacked with the A760 and opentom... ;))))) > > So there have been real and good GPL hacker, who have conviced a > hardware producer (FIC) to use the power of Linux(Debian) for > their devices and open it like a PC, giving the user the freedom > which OS to install and which applications and that this could > now become true (with linux): > > smartphone = mobil PC + GSM/GPRS (+ Asissted GPS) > > Because the GSM part is on an external chip connected via serial > interface to the System on a Chip (Samsung s3c2410) and controlled > with AT-commands like an external device - the kernel could run without > close source binaries and the phone will be a trustworthy device. > (As much as you can trust the SoC *g*). > > For raise the security level, especialy for the end user market, the > linux-vserer technics would become IMHO *very* interesting. > > The core functions (GSM/GPRS...) could become protected that even when > an badly programmed application runnig wild - the phone would still be > usable for basic functions (calling, espeicaly 911/112 emergency calls) > ... > > - close source applications or application from lower trustworthy source > could become own sandboxes > > - applications with a hight security demand "server administration with > ssh", telebanking could have also a own sandbox > > - with "guest suspend to RAM" applications could start faster and could > run at the same point they have been "paused" like applications on the > palm pilot ;) > > - other users could get a vserver account to run their scripts on the > mobile PC - the owner could limited and log the BT/GSM/GPRS access... > Example: an NGO, a university, a company could please their members > to run their programms... when they pass a BT station they can > transmitt informations... > So the guest system could get a limitation for GPRS traffic > or limitation of CPU power... > > Or just share vserver accounts on your mobile with your friends > (With integrated Wifi and 433Mhz receiver it would become much > more interesting what to do with this...) > > No question, vserver on a smartphone could be usefull. :)) > > > Now my questions to you ;) > > - I know that vserver does not have the same hardware demand like > xen or user mode linux - where can I get informations about using > linux-vserver with arm9 (portable devices)?
well, the samsung s3c2410 accidentially is also in the HP 1940 I won roughly two years ago, and of course it runs linux and especially Linux-VServer :) if you encounter any issues, please let me know ... HTH, Herbert > - Does somebody of you have experiances and could tell me or the > openmoko community about how much effort/work needed and performace > would cost to run linux-vserver on the Samsung s3c2410 SoC powered > linux smart phone Neo1973? > > And of course when you like the idea of an open GPL/Linux plattform for > (GSM/GPRS, AGPS, .. ) mobiles, too - I would like it very much when > you would participate or just give ideas to the starting OpenMoko > community, in which ways linux-vserver could power up the securty, potential > and usability - for experts but also for normal PC|phone users. > :) > > Cheers, > rob > > PS: > Community mailinglist archive: > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/ > > Preliminary Specification > > Note: These are _not_ final. But since we've had so many questions on > our mailing lists, > it's probably best to post them in one place: > > Hardware > * 120.7 x 62 x 18.5 (mm) > * 2.8" VGA (480x640) TFT Screen > * Samsung s3c2410 SoC > * Global Locate AGPS chip > * Ti GPRS (2.5G not EDGE) > * Unpowered USB 1.1 > * Touchscreen > * micro-sd slot > * 2.5mm audio jack > * 2 buttons > * 1200 mAh battery (charged over USB) > * 128 MB SDRAM > * 64 MB NAND Flash > > Software > * Dialer > * Contacts > * Application Manager > * Calendar > * More... > > Price: 350 US$ + shipping > > _______________________________________________ > Vserver mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver _______________________________________________ Vserver mailing list [email protected] http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
