I have created a space for web-bragging.  I just created an account 
on photopoint for the list...

www.photopoint.com

log in:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

password:  flyfish

It's easy to upload pictures.  Knock yourself out.  I'll upload some 
of my own later tonight.

matthew



> A couple of members have asked whether or not it's OK to post 
> photographs or other digital images to the list.  Unfortunately, it's
> not currently feasible to do this.  In essence, handling large
> attachments, such as digital photos, scanned images - or even massive
> HTML, Word or Adobe files - are just not what email lists were
> designed to do.  
> 
> Fundamentally, large attachments pose two problems for the listserver
> and for the list members:  
> 
> First, the shear volume.  Listservers work by taking a single email
> message and resending it to all members of the list.  If you have 150
> members (approximately our current membership), one 2K email message
> becomes 150K of email messages.  Easily manageable by the list server
> hardware and software.  Add a 100K digital image and that becomes 15
> Megs of email messages!  Consider that this single server may be
> handling 100's of other email lists and that there may be multiple
> postings of large email attachments for each list, and you're all of a
> sudden dealing with gigabytes of email!  
> 
> Second, the typical list member has limited resources and has no
> choice regarding whether or not he or she receives the attachment. 
> The average home internet user logs in once every day or so, using a
> 56K connection (or slower!) expecting to grab his or her email and log
> off, all within a few minutes.  If that day's (or week's, or
> month's...) email includes a dozen or two digital pic's, that quick
> check for email turns into "Hmmn, maybe I should walk the dog" or even
> "I wonder if this would be a good day to paint the shed".  Ditto for
> disk quotas:  Doesn't take long to fill that 1 Meg or even 5 Meg space
> that your ISP has set aside, when you're receiving lots of 250K email
> messages, and when that quota is filled, you don't get any more email!
>  (Actually, this is already happening;  I typically get 10-20 "Email
> Rejected.  User Mailbox Full" messages each week.)
> 
> To avoid these problems (and to keep my ISP happy), the WAFlyfishers
> list is currently set to reject any messages over 40K in size.  Since
> the average 640x480 JPG format photo is about 50-60K, it won't make
> it.  Of course, you can use image processing to reduce the size of the
> photo (or the resolution) to fit within the 40K limit, but we still
> face the issue of inundating the members with long downloads, so this
> should be used with discretion (and in accord with any feedback we get
> from the list members).  
> 
> So that's the long and the short of if.  Email lists are great at what
> they are intended to do:  Provide a quick and easy (and informal) way
> of exchanging information among a select group of people.  But they're
> no substitute for web sites or other, newer internet technologies.  
> 
> My hope is to someday have a full-fledged web site to serve as an
> adjunct to the email list.  A place where, in addition to accessing
> the message archives, members can post articles, pictures and other
> information that may be of interest to other list members, as well as
> providing resources similar to many of the other fly fishing related
> sites.  
> 
> Unfortunately - in addition to being totally web ignorant - I've got
> other competing priorities, not the least of which is fishing, so it
> may be a while.  If, in the meantime, anyone else is interested in
> setting up a WAFlyfishers web site (or even a page within their
> existing web site), feel free to do so.  I'm sure we'd all enjoy
> having a place to share our fishing photos and other info that doesn't
> work within the email list constraints.  
> 
> I know that, I for one, would sure like to see one of those 18" 
> blackmouth Leland claims to be catching!!
> 
> -Wes
> 
> Wes Neuenschwander
> Seattle, WA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 


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       Matthew W. Kaphan
         Bremerton, WA
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