Bob,
Call me old-fashioned, but I nail knot my leader butt to my flyline
unless it's a slimeline, then I tie it on with an allbright. I build
my leaders with blood knots and tie my flies on with improved
clinches. And I spit on 'em all.
Leland.
>Hi Richard,
>One would think that it has to be an overstatement to say that a knot is
>100% of the tippet strength because the knot process typically puts a
>cutting force on the tippet material somewhere in order to keep it from
>slipping.
>When I said splice, I meant the connection between the leader and the
>tippet.
>The interesting thing about the Orvis knot is that when it's used just to
>tie on the fly, the breakage will most often occur at the tippet to leader
>connection. That's why they came up with the "100%" leader to tippet splice.
>When both are used in combination, the tippet will usually break somewhere
>other than at the knot or splice.
>That has to be pretty close to 100% and give that info to the marketing
>department and it's a wonder that it isn't the 125% knot. :-)
>Try it out for yourself, don't believe Orvis or the guy who wrote the book.
>Incidentally, for the line to leader splice, I always use the Keough Splice
>which is a strong, smooth, mechanical connection. No glue required and
>nothing to catch in your line guides (which can be very nice when using
>looong leaders). It's just kind of difficult to make.
>-Bob
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "rdembry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:57 AM
>Subject: Re: Most important tackle detail? Leader splice and Orvis knot
>
>
>> Bob, I understand the 100% claim on the Orvis knot is overstated; my
>> understanding (information obtained from a guy who has knots as his
>> hobby/interest and has written a book about it; hey, everyone needs their
>> passion!) is the knot is in the 90% range.
>>
>> And, I believe leader splice is unnecessary (if knot strength is your
>> concern) to the extent that portion of the leader that is being affixed to
>> your fly line is the butt section, and usually has a breaking strength
>> between 25# and 30# (depending on your leader construction). Leader
>> splices, I believe, are preferred by folks who want a 'seamless'
>attachment
>> between the fly line and the leader that slides through the guides easily.
>>
>> I have buddies that are super good fishermen that still prefer the nail
>> knot; I prefer loop-to-loop connections for ease of changing out leaders.
>I
>> get a lot of flack for it, though! Part of the fun . . .
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Birkner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 1:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: Most important tackle detail?
>>
>>
>> > OK Leland, do you use the Orvis %100 strength knot and leader splice
>then?
>> > -Bob
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Leland Miyawaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:11 AM
>> > Subject: Re: Most important tackle detail?
>> >
>> >
>> > > "Which of the following is the most important tackle detail for
>catching
>> > > fish?
>> > >
>> > > a. Strong knots
>> > > b. Line selection
>> > > c. Sharp hooks
>> > > d. Lure (or fly) choice
>> > > e. Presentation"
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > An interesting question.
>> > >
>> > > I have seen people, including myself catch fish with the wrong
>> > > patterns, dull hooks, and at the wrong depth using the wrong lines. I
>> > > have dropped a steelhead fly into the water while stripping line off
>> > > the reel and hooked a Deschutes summer run, but I have never held a
>> > > fish on with a bad knot. My vote is for (a), strong knots.
>> > >
>> > > Leland.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
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