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Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 2:05 PM
Subject: How do you find the fish?


> I've been fly fishing all my life but only this year have decided to try
for
> salmon and steelhead in the rivers. What little I've learned is that first
> and foremost the fish have to be in the river. But how do you find that
out?
>
> I hesitate to bring this up with the current tenor of the email list but
> maybe I'm defining a group of folks who have this problem in common. With
the
> crowding we find on the rivers these days many folks are reluctant to pass
on
> information about what waters are "on", I can understand that, but it
doesn't
> help me much. My frustration is that I can ultimately figure out flies and
> techniques that work but not if I don't have fish to try them on. So all I
> want to know every now and then is where my odds of finding fish are high
so
> I can work on learning the rest. In fact I'm really enjoying having to
learn
> new tactics, it's breathing life back into the sport for me; but the
> seemingly necessary tight lippedness of my brethren is a frustrating
dilemma.
>
> I have a family and my own business so I only get a day here and there to
hit
> the water. Tomorrow is one of those days and I'm looking for information
on
> which rivers might be ripe for some fishing. I look at the flows online
but
> without experience they don't mean much by themselves. Where do I go to
get
> such information? Fly shops, the web, or sell my soul?
>
> Have fun
> Paul

there's lots of information out there.  for general run timing, one can get
harvest data on steelhead from WDFW.  the USGS has flow data available over
the web, plus one can check rainfall totals in their local paper (and i'm
sure it's on the web too).

there's plenty of places available for general information and most of it's
not secret.  but even with reports, if one runs to chase fish based on
reports (even recent reports) often things can change in a short period of
time and one will not find the same fishing as in a report.  with salmon and
steelhead, things often change very quickly (and the fish may just be off
the bite the day after a report).

the best thing is to just pick a river and learn it.  i know you mentioned
not having much time... but a day here and a day there adds up, and you will
learn what flow regime you prefer.  i've done well when the flows were
higher than i thought would be fishable, and poorly when i thought the river
was just dialed in perfectly.

tackle shops in the areas you want to fish will tell you if there's fish
around.  also, don't be afraid to call some of the non-fly shops for
information.

with steelhead fishing with a fly, having a ton of fish doesn't guarantee
success... and i've had plenty of decent fishing when the reports were poor
on the rivers i was fishing.  you can't catch fish if you're not fishing, so
i recommend just going.

chris

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