The Forest Service maps at one time got caught in the great Federal Government transformation to the metric system.  So all the verticle became metric, but because the original land survey was based on English it only the verticle elevations were changed.  I believe Carter years....still going on to a certain extent. 
 
Since none of the Federal stuff is copyrighted......Gazette and others use the Federal data without attribution, in most cases, presenting it as their own.  In many cases,  they don't even bother adding or changing information.  USGS quads are freely copied by TOPO and other companies.  The Street Atlas products use the TIGER files produced by the Department of Commerce for census data. 
 
On the bright side, it makes available federal data sources to the public in various formats and the private sector gets to make some money.  In Canada, the government copyrighted much of their information.....and only sells it.  That's why many of the US mapping products are not available in Canada.
 
Just think how much money the Federal Government could make if they charged for GPS usage by the minute!!!
 
Vladimir
 
Vladimir
-----Original Message-----
From: Barton Treece [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 6:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Stream Map

I agree with Les. the Gazetteer is a great tool to get zeroed in. The USGS and Green Trails maps help define an area after the recon with the Atlas. Some WDFW areas have more detailed maps (sometimes available at area check-in points) as well as local shops, etc. The USFS maps also define logging roads and other access.
 
Why do some of these maps have horizontal info in feet, but vertical in metres.
 
bart  
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Korcala
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 10:31 PM
To: Washington Fly fishers
Subject: Re: Stream Map
 
 I have to agree with Tom on that one.
 
The map is very large format, it do separate after you open close several times, also I can not find the small lakes
 I look for , their are small dots!
 
The Washington Gazette Atlas for $12-14 is great tool to find that hard to find trail to fish or mountain bike or hike.
Also tells a little about parks and recreation spots, its worth have it.
 
Les
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Bowden
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 10:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Stream Map
 
I received one of these last year as a gift. Frankly it hasn't been very
useful for me. It's basically a large map (about 3' x 5' - scale of 1 inch
= 8 miles) with an alphabetical list of lakes & streams. Not that you need
a map to find Lake Lenice, but it doesn't appear on this one. Neither does
the westside lake I fish frequently in the spring.

It does have a bunch of little creeks listed in bold letters as "selected
fishing waters". I haven't checked these out, but maybe there are some
secrets hidden here.

I still like the Delorme Atlas book. It's more detailed and can be opened &
read while driving the truck. Mine is about 8 years old & is all torn up,
but I've made so many notes on it that I don't dare replace it!

Tom

At 11:11 PM 12/22/2001 -0800, Terry Warwick wrote:
>        The Seattle-Times is selling a map they refer to as Professor
>Higbee’s Stream Map of Washington.  They claim that every fisherman
>and boater needs this map.  Does anyone have experience with this map?  If
>so, can you provide a fisherman’s perspective review of it.  Is it
>helpful?  Readable? Have you been able to find new productive waters with
>it?       Terry



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