Howdy All, I see the point about not wanting advertising on the board, but in Leland's defense when I first introduced myself to the board several people ask questions about my shop's location, hours, ect, that I answered on the board and I don't remember anyone objecting to that. Take care, MJC ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: RE: Commercial posts (was RE: Steelheading, where to start ...)[Scanned]
> I see information on John Farrar's and Dennis Dickson's steelhead classes as > being a damned good resource that everyone ought to know about. Doesn't > really seem like advertising to me. > > However, I can see the conflict of interest, and I'd hate to see guides > advertising on this board. Get to see enough of that in fly fishing magazine > articles. > > My two cents, > > James > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Lufkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Commercial posts (was RE: Steelheading, where to start > ...)[Scanned] > > > This list has a tradition of being fiercely opposed to any posts that > have a commercial motive or message. > > I don't think anyone here has a problem with posts about a special > sale, a source for some gear or materials, or a personal impressions > or preferences favoring one line or product over another. > > But the question of personal gain seems to be what clouds things and > starts to make some posts seem more commercial than merely personal > opinion. > > We all know Leland and respect his depth of experience, knowledge and > willingness to share it with any who would but ask. But Leland also > works at Patrick's and his employer gets a chunk of the $150 fee for > the steelheading class he pointed Mark towards. > > At the risk of getting into a hair-splitting debate about what > constitutes an 'overt' commercial message, I wonder how others feel > about receiving any kind of self-serving posts from this list? Are > messages like Jack Cook's, Leland's or Al Peterson's valuable to you > or are they just a less intrusive form of spam? > > Might be a good idea if we all knew what the ground rules are here. > > Kent Lufkin > > > >This discussion is not heading towards steelheading. Not trying to be a > >flame nazi, but if you guys want to continue this discussion, please > >take it to direct emails. > > > > > >On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 10:14, Michael Santangelo wrote: > >> That is from the same person that posted this concerning an ad: > >> > >> > >> > >> If others on this list wish to receive advertising outside of this > >> > >> newsgroup from REI, fine. I, for one, do not and do not appreciate > >> > >> your using this newsgroup to further your employer's business. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thank you, > >> > >> Leland. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland Miyawaki > >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 6:53 PM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: RE: Steelheading, where to start ... no ads please > >> > >> > >> > >> I see no reason why not. It was a specific answer to a specific > >> question and was not "trolling" for business. Allen Peterson replied > >> to a hook search question. Websites were posted for European sea-trout > >> vacations etc. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Leland. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I guess it would only be fair then that other local fly shop > >> > employees state their Steelhead Class schedule on the list as well. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Mike > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leland > >> > Miyawaki > >> > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:21 PM > >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Subject: Re: Steelheading, where to start ... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Mark, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > John Farrar, one of the best steelhead guides in the Northwest, > >> > works with me and Les at Patrick's. He is also a fine teacher. I > >> > would highly recommend him. Following is a copy from Patrick's > >> > December newsletter: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Steelhead Seminar and Guided Excursion > >> > Sea-run rainbow return from the Pacific, stamped with luster. > >> > Steelhead reign as the Northwest's premier game fish. Prized for > >> > their willingness to take the fly, these aerial/aquatic acrobats > >> > punish tackle. Our seminar gets you ready to fly fish for steelhead. > >> > We study tackle, flies and learn to read the water. Put the right > >> > fly where it matters. Patrick's Fly Shop presents John Farrar, > >> > instructor and twenty-year veteran guide, who devotes an evening > >> > session to the fish, tackle and technique. Then join him on the > >> > river for a half day guided float trip. > > > > 2004 Class Dates: Jan. 5 & 11 Feb. 2 & 8 Mar. 1 & 7. Cost: > > > > $150.00 When: Monday evenings 7-9 pm at Patrick's, Sunday stream > > > > side, time and river to be announced. Class size is limited to > >> > ensure personal attention. How do I sign up? Call or visit Patrick's > >> > Fly Shop, 206-325-8988, 2237 Eastlake Avenue East, Seattle WA 98102. > > > > Fees paid in advance to reserve dates. Cancellations refunded until > >> > seven days before class, thereafter if replacement found. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi All, > >> > > >> > I'm interested in learning how to steelhead and any information > >> > anyone > >> > would like to share would be great. I've seen the humongus book by > >> > trey > >> > combs, is that a good place to start for reading? > >> > > >> > > >> > This is what I think I know about steelheading so far.... > >> > > >> > Where they lie: > >> > > >> > Steelhead from what I gather lie in either pools or runs that are 3 > >> > -6 > >> > ft deep and the water moves around a walking pace. If they aren't > >> > migrating up the river, they like to hold on the bottom. > >> > > >> > Methods to use: > >> > > >> > Nymphing egg patterns, nymph's etc. Fish these just like you would > >> > for > >> > trout, get em down to the bottom. > >> > > >> > Swinging a streamer, this I'm not so sure on. It seems that you cast > >> > either across or quarter it down stream, throw some mends in to try > >> > and > >> > get the fly at the bottom, follow the line with rod. > >> > > >> > Flies to use: > >> > > >> > Leeches, either egg sucking leaches or bright pink type leeches. > >> > Eggs, > >> > nymphs, etc. > >> > > >> > Tackle: > >> > > >> > 7 - 8 wt. Floating line with sinktip, various lengths and grains. > >> > Short > >> > leaders around 12# or so. > >> > > >> > Thanks in advance, Mark > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >
