Thanks, Leland. I have, in fact, spent a little time on the Spey pages, but didn't see the switch rods.

I also noticed your moderator status.  Cool.

I met Jimmy's new dog today, as did my dog. My old dog unfortunately doesn't have much patience for the young whipper-snappers. He went back in the truck.

For those of you curious about the Popper, there are several examples on display at Patrick's.

Tom

From: Leland Miyawaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Lincoln Park This AM (TH)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:50:47 -0700

Tom,

The two rods are specifically designed for overhead or speycasting respectively. However there are "hybrids" called switch rods that a few manufacturers market. If you you really want to know more, go to a website that is specific to all things spey. It is a part of the forum called Spey Pages. Simply scroll through the homesite until you get to it. You'll also see that I am the moderator of the pacific salt page.

Leland.




Okay, now I'm truly fascinated. I've been considering entering the Spey realm, and I've also been considering buying a single-handed 6wt for both the beach and summer steel. Could this new Atlantis work as both a two handed casting rod on the beach, and as a smaller, light-weight spey rod on streams?

Obviously, my experience and education are lacking, but it seems to me that the extra length of the rod, and the extra control and leverage provided by using two hands, would make the same rod work in both cases.

Is my grasp of fly rod physics and line mechanics misguided?

Tom




From: Leland Miyawaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: Lincoln Park This AM (TH)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:48:46 -0700

Not speyrod but a two-handed, overhead casting rod like the new CND Atlantis. A couple of our listmembers have cast this rod. I am awaiting the delivery of a "Pacifica" model. An 11', 8wt.

One can speycast into the salt but you cannot retreive the fly all the way in to the beach unless you enjoy working a 50' head back out through the guides in order to begin casting the rod. The Atlantis throws shooting heads. In fact, if you want distance off your single-hander get a head and start throwing it. Old-timers have known this for many years.

Leland.




Having no experience spey casting yet, I was wondering if a spey rod would
get you the extra 10 - 20 feet that seems to be needed?


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Lincoln Park This AM (TH)


The common factor here seems to be that everywhere the fish are hanging >70'
from the shore - we've seen it in the south sound, mid-sound, and north
sound. Anyone in a boat get out a bit and see if these guys are actually
taking? We need to find a way to call them in closer! Even at low tide I
found they were way out in places where last year I was getting them just
within casting range from shore in low-to-mid tide levels.


Tim

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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 2:50 PM
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Subject: Re: Lincoln Park This AM (TH)


Matt,

I've never believed returning salmon to be selective in their eating
habits when it comes to baitfish. Their drive is to put weight on
quickly, especially this time of year. Resident salmon, in the winter
are another story. When they're on euphasid and amphipods, ya gotta
give 'em what they're eatin'.

Leland.



Leland,

Last couple times I've been out around Everett beaches, the big guys
seem
to
be hanging out just out of reach too.  Got a question for you.  Of the
bait fish that I'm seeing, most are of the salmon/smelt/herring/sand
lance
shape,
long, thin and torpedo shaped.  And then there are oval, tall bodied
bait fish.  I'm thinking these are the surfperch variety with very
bright shiny sides.  I know the big guys are feeding on these because I
have seen cripples hugging the beach, all by themselves, just trying to
stay up right as if they got tagged and were trying to recover.  Does
that sound right to you and should I drop the herring imitations and
try serf perch imitations?

Matt Burke

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leland Miyawaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Lincoln Park This AM (TH)

I stopped by Lincoln this morning just after the turn and walked out to the point in my civvies to see if there was any action. I saw one nice-sized "happy jumper" within casting range on the edge of the rip just after it formed.

Earlier, I was a bit north on a beach with my 10wt looking for some kings that might want to eat my crippled baitfish. Yesterday, I had a couple roll just outside of where I was casting so I thought that with a little bit more effort, I could cover those that showed up today. I also armed myself with a bigger stick, just in case.

  I did see two schools of salmon (I'm guessing coho) meander about
 for  about two hours. In the flat light, I could sometimes see heads
 and  porpoising bodies with an occassional flash of silver but they
 never  came in.

  Leland.



>Fished this AM from 6 - 7. Slight breeze, salad was not an issue. >Neither, apparently, were the fish. >
>Watched a seal, watched fish of various sizes splash and porpoise
>(occasionally) beyond shore. Fished poppers of various sizes and
>> >colors. Had one boil as I was reeling in.
>
>No action for the two gear guys, either.
>
>Next time....
>
>Tom
>
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