Wah mas Chodjim, rasa-rasanya kita baru ditekan dan dihisap oleh Amerika dalam kasus Exxon-Cepu. Nasibnya negara berkembang, pongahnya negara adidaya. Minyaknya dihisap habis dengan harga murah. 8-(
Salam, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com 03/15/2006 12:11 PM Please respond to wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com To <wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com> cc Subject RE: [wanita-muslimah] Babat- Debat Khalifah Islamiyah & SI - What the Western Thinkers Said about Islam Kalau saya membaca postingan Mas Jano Ko di bawah ini, saya cuma komentar: Alhamdulillah ada beberapa orang Barat yang tetap setia mengingatkan negara dan bangsanya untuk bisa memahami Islam dengan baik! Tetapi, sebagai orang Islam yang berkebangsaan Indonesia, saya masih berdoa: "semoga kebijakan barat semakin manusiawi." Sebab, kami tidak membutuhkan puji-pujian, yang kami butuhkan adalah pengakuan yang terang-benderang negara-negara Barat terhadap negara-negara berkembang dan yang belum maju bahwa hakikatnya semua bangsa itu setara dan harus diperlakukan sebagaimana pepatah "duduk sama rendah, berdiri sama tinggi; ringan sama dijinjing dan berat sama dipikul". Semoga negara-negara maju tidak melakukan terus-menerus "de l'homme par l'homme, de nation par nation", penghisapan manusia atas manusia dan negara atas negara. Bila ada tulisan asing yang masih salah tulis, saya mohon maaf. Wassalam, chodjim -----Original Message----- From: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jano ko Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:28 PM To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Babat- Debat Khalifah Islamiyah & SI - What the Western Thinkers Said about Islam What the Western Thinkers Said about Islam Islam came like a flood of light – it illumined the entire environment. Its charm so captivated many that they moved into its fold – but those who, for a variety of reasons, did not enter its fold, were also spell-bound. They could not help admiring its beauty, splendour and grandeur. They confessed its greatness and paid tributes to it. Their evidence is important in one respect: it comes from those who are not within it, from many who have, on the whole, been rather antagonistic; but they too had to admit its unique features, its serenity that casts its spell on all and sundry. It is a selection of such evidence that we now present. Islam: A Simple, Humanitarian and Attractive Religion “Islam had the power of peacefully conquering souls by the simplicity of its theology, the clearness of its dogma and principles, and the definite number of the practices which it demands. In contrast to Christianity which has been undergoing continual transformation since its origin, Islam has remained identical with itself.” (Jean L’heureux, Etude sur L’Islamisme P.35) “Two features in the Creed of Islam have always specially attracted me. One is the God conception, the other is its unquestionable sincerity – a tremendous asset in human affairs, the religious aspect of them especially. After all, sincerity is almost divine and like love covers a multitude of sins.” (Major Arthur Glyn Leonard, Islam – Her Moral and Spiritual Value, London, 1927) “Sense of justice is one of the most wonderful ideals of Islam, because as I read in the Qur’an I find those dynamic principles of life, not mystic but practical ethics for the daily conduct of life suited to the whole world.” (Sirojini Naidu, Lecture on “The Ideals of Islam vide Speeches and Writings of Sirojini Naidu, Madras, 1918, P 167) “The rise of Islam is perhaps the most amazing event in human history. Springing from a land and a people alike previously negligible, Islam spread within a century over half the earth, shattering great empires, overthrowing long established religions, remoulding the souls of races, and building up a whole new world – the world of Islam…For the first three centuries of its existence (circ.A.D. 650-1000) the realm of Islam was the most civilised and progressive portion of the world. Studded with splendid cities, gracious mosques, and quiet universities where the wisdom of the ancient world was preserved and appreciated, the Muslim world offered a striking contrast to the Christian West, then sunk in the night of the Dark Ages.” (A.M Lothrop Stoddard, Ph.D., The New World of Islam, London 1932, pp1-3) “There can be no question but that, with its pure monotheism, and a code founded in the main on justice and humanity, Islam succeeds in raising to a higher level races sunk in idolatry and fetishism, like those of Central Africa, and that in some respects, notably in that of temperance, it materially improves the morality of such peoples.” (Sir William Muir, Mohamed and Islam, London, 1895 p.246) Islamic Brotherhood: All Are Equal “Take away that black man! I can have no discussion with him,” exclaimed the Christian Archbishop Cyrus when the Arab conquerors had sent a deputation of their ablest men to discuss terms of surrender of the capital of Egypt, headed by Negro Ubadah as the ablest of them all.” “To the sacred archbishop’s astonishment, he was told that this man was commissioned by General Amr; that the Muslims held Negroes and white men in equal respect – judging a man by his character and not by his colour.” “Such a spirit of class distinction is certainly the greatest hindrance to missionary work in the East, as every impartial observer has noted. How, for instance, can any other appeal stand against that of the Muslim who, in approaching the pagan, says to him, however obscure or degraded he may be, Embrace the faith, and you are at once an equal and a brother.’ Islam knows no ‘colour line’.” (S.S Leeder, Veiled Mysteries of Egypt, London, 1912,pp.332 – 335) “The Islamic brotherhood which they proclaimed was a real thing, and a new thing among Eastern nations. It is doubtful whether Christian Syrians ever felt the same sense of brotherhood with Christian Persians as Muslim Syrians did with Muslim Persians.” (Lawrence E. Browne, The Prospects of Islam, London, 1944, p.12) “But Islam has yet a further service to render the cause of humanity… No other society has such a record of success in uniting in an equality of status, of opportunity and of endeavour so many and so various races of mankind. The great Muslim communities of Africa, India and Indonesia, perhaps also the small Muslim community in Japan, show that Islam has still the power to reconcile apparently irreconcilable elements of race and tradition. If ever the opposition of the great societies of the East and the West is to be replaced by co-operation, the mediation of Islam is an indispensable condition.” (H.A.R. Gibb. Whither Islam, London, 1932 p. 379) “But above all—and herein is its supreme importance in the missionary history of Islam—it ordains a yearly gathering of believers, of all nations and languages, brought together from all parts of the world, to pray in that sacred place towards which their faces are set in every hour of private worship in their distant homes. No stretch of religious genius could have conceived a better expedient for impressing on the minds of the faithful a sense of their common life and of brotherhood in the bonds of faith.” “Besides the institution of the pilgrimage, the payment of the legal alms is another duty that continually reminds the Muslim that ‘the faithful are brothers’ (XLIX-10) – religious theory that is very strikingly realised in Muslim society and seldom fails to express itself in acts of kindness towards the new convert. Whatever be his race, colour or antecedents he is received into the brotherhood of believers and takes his place as an equal among equals.” (T. W. Arnold, The Preaching of Islam, London, 1956, pp. 415-416) “It was the first religion that preached and practised democracy; for, in the mosque when the call from the Minaret is sounded and the worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and the king kneel side by side and proclaim, “God alone is great”. I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes a man distinctively a brother. When you meet an Egyptian, an Algerian, an Indian and a Turk in London, what matters that Egypt was the motherland of one and India the motherland of another.” “The extinction of race consciousness as between Muslims is one of the outstanding achievements of Islam, and in the contemporary world there is, as it happens, a crying need for the propagation of this Islamic virtues…” (Sirojini Naidu, Lecture on “The ideals of Islam” vide Speeches and Writings of Sirojini Naidu, Madras, 1918, p.169) Islamic Law: The Most Enlightened Jurisprudence “The Islamic Law which is binding on all from the crowned head to the meanest subject is a law interwoven with a system of the wisest, the most learned and the most enlightened jurisprudence that ever existed in the world.” (Edmund Burke, in his “Impeachment of warren Hastings”) Islam Imparts Knowledge and Creates Intellect “To seek knowledge is a duty of every Muslim man and woman. ‘Seek knowledge even though it be in china’. The savants are the heirs of the Prophets. These profound words of the great reformer are an indisputable contradiction to those who seek and exert themselves in putting the responsibility of the intellectual degradation of Muslims upon the spirit of the Qur’an. Let them read and meditate upon this great Book and they will read that the Prophet incessantly called the attention and the meditation of his people to the splendid marvels, to the mysterious phenomenon of creation. The incredulous, sceptical and unbelieving may convince themselves that the importance of this Book and its doctrine was not to throw back, eventually, the intellectual and moral faculties of a whole people. On the contrary, those who have followed its counsels have been the creators of a civilisation which is astounding unto this day”. (Dr. A. Bertherand, Contribution des Arabes au Progress de Sciences Medicales, Paris 1883, p.6). “It is to Mussulman science, to Mussulmsn art and to Mussulman literature that Europe has been in a great measure indebted for its extrication from the darkness of the Middle Ages.” (Marquis of Dufferin and Ava, Speeches Delivered in India, London, 1890, p. 24) “It may be boldly asserted that no people in the world give the impression of being so religious-minded as do Moslems. All of life is saturated with the consciousness of God.” (Charles R. Watson, what is this Moslem world? London, 193, pp. 38-39) “Many Westerners, accustomed by their history books to believe that Muslims were barbarous infidels, find it difficult to comprehend how profoundly our intellectual life has been influenced by Muslim scholars in the field of science, medicine, mathematics, geography and philosophy. Crusaders who invaded the Holy Land to fight Muslims returned to Europe with new ideas of love, poetry, chivalry, warfare and government. Our concept of what a university should be was deeply modified by Muslim scholars, who perfected the writing of history and who brought to Europe much Greek learning.” (James A. Michener, “Islam – The Misunderstood Religion”, in the Reader’s Digest (American Edition, for May1955) Jihad and Muslim Conquests “The crusades, the Turkish wars, and the great expansion of Europe widened the gulf between Christianity and Islam, while as the East was gradually brought under ecclesiastical influence the contrast grew deeper. The theory, however, that the Muslim conquerors and their successors were inspired by a fanatical hatred of Christianity is a fiction invented by Christians.” (C.H. Becker, Christianity and Islam, London, 1909, pp. 28-33) “Incidentally these well-established facts dispose of the idea so widely fostered in Christian writings that the Muslims, wherever they went, forced people to accept Islam at the point of the sword.” (Lawrence W. Browne, The Prospects of Islam, London, 1944, p.14) “The Jihad was not really obligatory except against peoples who had no revealed religion or who menace the existence of Islam… Jihad had to be waged to defend Islam against aggressions… Once the war was terminated the Muslims always displayed a great tolerance towards the conquered peoples leaving them their legislation and religious beliefs.” (O. Houdes, La Grade Encyclopaedia, 1894, Tome 20, p. 1006) “No other religion in history spread so rapidly as Islam… The West has widely believed that this surge of religion was made possible by the sword. But no modern scholar accepts that idea, and the Qur’an is explicit in support of the freedom of conscience. The evidence is strong that Islam welcomed the peoples of many diverse religions, so long as they behaved themselves and paid extra taxes. Muhammad constantly taught that Muslims should co-operate with the ‘people of the Book’ (Jews and Christians).” “Although Islam originated in Arabia, today only a small percentage (7 per cent) of the world’s Muslims are Arabians, and less than a quarter (20 per cent) speak Arabic as their native language.” “More than most religions, Islam preaches the brotherhood of all races, colours and nations within its fold. Muhammad himself probably had exactly the same skin colouring as Jesus – a very sun – tanned white – but today his followers embrace all colours; black men from Africa, yellow men from China, brown men from Malaya, white men from Turkey.” (James A. Michener, “Islam – The Misunderstood Religion”, in the Reader’s Digest (American Edition, for May1955) “History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have over repeated.” (De Lacy O’Leary, Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p.8) “In their wars of conquest, however, the Muslims exhibited a degree of toleration which puts many Christian nations to same.” (E. Alexander Powell, The Struggle for power in Muslim Asia. New York 1923, p.48). “The nobility and broad tolerance of this creed, which accepts as God-inspired all the real religions of the world, will always be a glorious heritage for mankind. On it could indeed be built a perfect world religion.” (Duncan Greenless, M.A. (Oxon.), The Gospel of Islam, Adyar 1948, p.27) “In Muhammad’s days there was no Arabic version of the Bible from which he could obtain accurate knowledge of Christ…. Therefore some maintain that the very existence of Islam is due to the failure of the Church.” (Angus Nicolson, ph. D., A Guide to Islam, Stirling, 1951, p. 16) Islam Can Fill the Social and Spiritual Vacuum Created by West “I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to possess that assimilating capability to the changing phases of existence which can make itself appeal to every age….” “I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today. The Mediaeval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry, painted Islam in the darkest colours. They were, in fact, trained to hate both the man Muhammad and his religion. To them Muhammad was anti-Christ. I have studied him, the wonderful man, and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ he must be called the saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that he would bring it the much-needed peace and happiness. Europe is beginning to be enamoured of the creed of Muhammad. In the next century it may go still further in recognising the utility of that creed in solving its problems and it is in this sense that you must understand my prediction.” A collection of Writings of Some of the Eminent Scholars, published by the Working Muslim Mission, 1935, p.77) “While Christianity in recent years has moved towards a social gospel, Islam has been a social gospel from the start. A significant distinction between the two Religions is that in the New Testament is a revelation of God; in the Qur’an is a revelation from God… Any religion that has lasted fourteen centuries must have some thing fundamentally significant and meaningful to say to every man whether he is a millionaire or a pauper, a prince or a slave. And Islam undoubtedly does.” (Wilfred Cantwell Smith. Islam in Modern History, London, 1946, pp.22-24). “In these recently and rapidly opened up tropical territories, the Western civilization has produced an economic and political plenum and, in the same breath, a social and spiritual void.” “Here then in the foreground of the future, we can remark two valuable influences which Islam may exert upon the cosmopolitan proletariat of a Western society that has cast its net round the world and embraced the whole of mankind.” (A. J. Toynbee, Civilisation on Trial, New York 1948, pp.208-208) Thursday : 26/04/2001 Salam PS. Dilarang Rendah Diri dan memble bagi semua insan yang mengaku Muslim dan Muslimah. jano ko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Percuma aja diskusi tentang Islam, kalau wawasan kita cuma wawasan kelas "lokal", yang keluar dari mind kita ya engga "mutu dan wagu". Nah ini oleh-oleh dari Amerika, ISLAM SEBAGAI DIEN YANG TERHORMAT DAN DIHORMATI OLEH PIMPINAN KLAS DUNIA. THE PRESIDENT'S QUOTES ON ISLAM In the President’s Words: Respecting Islam The United States is a nation dedicated to religious tolerance and freedom, and President Bush has acted to ensure that the world's Muslims know that America appreciates and celebrates the traditions of Islam. "Here in the United States our Muslim citizens are making many contributions in business, science and law, medicine and education, and in other fields. Muslim members of our Armed Forces and of my administration are serving their fellow Americans with distinction, upholding our nation's ideals of liberty and justice in a world at peace." Remarks by the President on Eid Al-Fitr The Islamic Center of Washington, D.C. December 5, 2002 Nah siapa yang bilang pemikiran Islam mandeg ...ndeg ?...ngoyo moro aja.... Nggak usah Psy War-waran lah...udah engga jamannya. salim Ari Condro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Babat- Debat Khalifah Islamiyah & SI http://www.apakabar.ws/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=298&Itemid= 1 Dalam debat2 soal SI, komentar prof Azumardi (AA) ttg khalifah Islam dan menyambung komentarku sebelum ini, ada banyak faktor. Ada faktor yg berkaitan dengan Islam itu sendiri, dan ada yg dari luar, dan interaksi antar keduanya.Dalam debat2 soal SI, komentar prof Azumardi (AA) ttg khalifah Islam dan menyambung komentarku sebelum ini, ada banyak faktor. Ada faktor yg berkaitan dengan Islam itu sendiri, dan ada yg dari luar, dan interaksi antar keduanya. Pertama, terhentinya pemikiran2 nalar dalam Islam dan matinya progresi ilmu. Ini sudah terjadi sejak debat al-ghazzali di Bagdhad, sudah lewat part of history .Kedua, terhentinya pemikiran kekuasaan publik akibat kembalinya sistem kekuasaan Islam ke kerajaan purba, sehingga kita tidak bisa lagi membicarakan sistem majlis brotherhood egalitarian yg jelas2 diajukan oleh Muhammad dulu. Note disini, idea majlis islami ini jelas belum matang untuk aplikasi pemerintahan modern, sama halnya dengan ide2 kedaulatan rakyat revolusi perancis juga diawalnya tidak matang. Perlu banyak adaptasi dan klarifikasi untuk bisa menjadi sistem yg siap pakai. Tetapi juga jelas bahwa ada sumbangan yg bisa dilakukan oleh sistem majlis Islami ini (hal yg sama dari sistem hirarkis konfusionis bisa dibentuk menjadi pemerintahan bersih spt di Singapore dan sekarang diusahakan di Cina setelah ber-abad2 hanya mendukung rejim feudal). Aku merasa - spt statement AA - bahwa sistem majlis islami bisa saja memberi sumbangan besar pada sistem pemerintahan masa depan yg inheren didalamnya ada sistem etika individu. Bagaimana bentuknya aku tidak tahu kini, yg jelas sama sekali berbalikan dari sistem2 yg ada spt talebanisme. Ketiga, perkembangan sejarah modern kaum muslim sekarang telah menjadi identik dengan 'kaum tertindas'. Ini sesungguhnya sekedar proses sejarah, sejak ambruknya dinasti ottoman (yg memang sepatutnya ambruk, karena basisnya yg feudal sangat lemah). Kaum muslim saat ini merasa dirinya kaum tertindas, spt kaum marxis di abad 19 dan awal 20. Rasa ketertindasan yg bisa dikatakan 'struktural' itu menimbulkan banyak sekali reaksi letupan2 emosi - sama spt rasa ketertindasan dimanapun. Perasaan ini relatif terkubur dibawah permukaan pada masa2 perang dingin, dan meledak kini post 911 dan perang teror US. Saat ini adalah masa2 panas mudah meledak untuk ajaran Islam. Saat2 emosional - mirip2 spt gerakan komunisme di awal 60an. Masa2 tidak rasional dan masa2 tidak berpikir. Ini berakibat jelek pada dua sisi, ya muslim nya ya non-muslim nya. Reaksi2 spt tulisan2 VH (di thread2 lain) yg membela SI atas basis 'bela diri' itu adalah wajar dalam masa2 spt sekarang, sama spt dulu kader PKI selalu mengeluaran insinuasi ancaman pada lawan2 politiknya: nanti jika kita menang ..... Secara keseluruhan, malah bisa dikatakan VH lebih restraining diri dibanding yg lain. Walau juga jelas semangat machismo nya sangat kuat. Setidaknya dia jujur, menuliskan apa yg dia pikir, dalam konteks yg dia tahu. Di banyak situasi, semangat machismo 'panas' itu memang muncul spt isi tulisannya: Tunggu saja saat nya .... Awal 60 an. - Apa artinya ini semua? Melihat situasi manusia harus dengan kacamata kemanusiaan. Artinya, pemahaman bahwa memang wajar manusia mempunyai watak emosional, rasio dan irrasionalitas, semangat balas dendam, short term dll selain juga empati, long term, penolakan pada kekerasan dll. Kita tidak bisa - kenyataannya tidak bisa - mengasumsikan manusia full rational lepas dari konteks kesehariannya. Lalu, saat ini bangunan SI tidak siap sama sekali tetapi tidak ada alternatif jelas. Jutaan anak muda yg tertindas ber-teriak2 (tampak pada kasus kartun denmark kemarin) membenci rasa ketertindasan itu. Tetapi mereka tidak mempunyai kerangka pemikiran yg memadai. 'Terpaksa' banyak yg mengambil apa yg ada - syariah islamiyah. Sama spt kaum marxist dulu, apapun yg terjadi jangan kapitalisme, bentuk sosialisme yg spt apa itu pertanyaan sekunder. Ini reaksi wajar. Bukan berarti benar, tetapi sangat bisa diduga. Pertanyaan ttg kewajaran SI dianggap menjadi pernyataan serangan terhadap paham keislaman. Sikat dulu. Dalam term spt ini, maka tulisan2 VH bisa dikatakan 'ringan'. Dibanding pengawuran2 dari adisatya misalnya (si mbahmu-sempal yg sangat tendensius :P ). Ingat bahwa ini bukan urusan benar atau tidak. Beberapa kantong2 masyarakat yg 'stewing on their own juices' - artinya hanya diskusi diantara mereka sendiri - yg akhirnya membuat mereka jadi super-radikal; ini sudah masuk teritori perang. Apa yg seharusnya terjadi? Komentar AA itu suatu start. Secara ideal seharusnya mulai ada pemikiran sintesa yg menjawab pertanyaan2 hakiki ttg islam modern. Yang di diskusi kan dan dijawab oleh mereka2 yg berkompeten, tidak emosional, dan berniat baik. Semua kultur mempunyai banyak sisi. Kultur yg pernah 'menang' artinya pernah menjadikan suatu bangsa menjadi besar dalam waktu lama, pasti mempunyai banyak sisi positif. Selain tentu saja sisi2 negatif. Masalahnya adalah sisi mana yg diberi emphasis. Sebagai ilustrasi adalah menyambung komentarku ttg confusius Cina. Sistem tata negara confusius adalah hirarkis rigid mandarinisme yg menekankan simbol dan ritual2 lebih daripada kenyataan, dengan ajaran yg berbasis pada arogansi suatu idealisme ttg 'penguasa yg bermoral'. Sistem ini membantu membuat kekaisaran cina menjadi mandarinisme (birokrasi kejam) selama ratusan tahun. Jika mau menekankan sisi negatif sistem ini sangat banyak bisa dilakukan. Tetapi tokh di jaman modern ini suatu sintesa modern bisa diciptakan: pemerintahan meritokrasi (dan semi xenophobic) Singapura! Malah sekarang sedang di implementasi dalam skala sangat besar di Cina. Jika sisi positif2 nya (meritokrasi, moral) yg menang, jelas confusius akan menyumbang sangat besar pada jaman modern. Dengan cara pikir yg sama, mengapa Islam tidak bisa? Saat ini bahkan model Singapore untuk Islam sudah ada: Dubai, yang port-authority (perusahaan pengurus pelabuhan)nya baru saja mencaplok P&O dan sekarang menjadi perusahaan terbesar ketiga setelah Hutchison Li-kashing Hongkong dan PSA Temasek Singapore. Konsorsium Dubai ini yg sekarang sedang di tengah2 gegeran karena akan mengontrol 6 pelabuhan di US (Dubai masuk, Dubya mumets!) Dubai adalah eksperimen Singaporean confusius untuk Islam. Mungkin pemikir2 yg bisa merumuskan sintesa modern Islam belum muncul -- mungkin juga tidak bakalan segera muncul - menunggu badai emosional juvenile muslim ini lewat (10 tahunan lagi, dengan asumsi al-qaeda tidak sukses, jika bajingan2 itu sukses ya jauh lebih lama lagi). Itulah sisi positif melihat badai ini -- termasuk didalamnya taufan SI ngindo ini. Ngindo ada di tengah2 badai Islam ini, akan menjadi salah satu negara yg paling hancur jika things go wrong, tetapi sebaliknya mungkin bisa jadi negara yg memetik keuntungan terbesar jika things go right. In the meantime, kurasa tidak ada jeleknya sama sekali airing debates spt yg sekarang di milis2 ini. Setidaknya airing the debates membuka katup diskusi agar tidak tertutup menjadi diskusi antar radikal yg saling memanaskan emosi tanpa masukan baru apa2. Dan ingat juga, sama spt halnya paham komunisme, hal yg paling besar mengurangi radikalisme adalah kemakmuran rakyat banyak. Itu sebabnya short term Malaysia mungkin akan lebih beruntung daripada Indonesia. Fanatisme besar2an muncul jika perut lapar dan mata merah. Aku really suggest kalian2 yg tidak benar2 dalam kategori 'perut lapar' tidak perlu pura2 lapar untuk justifikasi ngamuk. Jujur saja. Tulis apa yg benar2 kalian pikir tanpa retorika sloganistis yg keterlaluan. 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