Lha karena mereka yang mengusung Zionist petama kali kan para penganut sekuler dan diaspora memang menurut kaum Yahudi merupakan salah satu faith dari agama mereka. Mereka baru percaya kalau bisa kembali ke promised land kalau Messiah sudah datang dan setelah itu akhir dunia akan datang. Yahudi orthodox sejak Zionisme pertama kali dimunculkan tidak setuju dengan cita-cita berdirinya Israel karena alasan tersebut diatas. Dengan berjalannya waktu, ada beberapa Rabbi Yahudi yang melakukan "ijtihad" mereinterpretasi kepercayaan mereka bahwa kembali ke Yudea dalam negara Israel sebagai bagian dari akidah mereka. Yang cilaka kan... orang zealot Kristen (terutama di Amerika) ikut menunggangi kepercayaan itu secara aneh. Mereka juga percaya akan skenario apocalypse yang sudah diramalkan dalam kitab2 mereka, dan mereka sudah seringkali keliru menujum kedatangan akhir dunia tersebut. Bagi mereka berdirinya negara Israel dan kembali Yahudi ke tanah Yudea merupakan pertanda akan adanya akhir dunia dimana umat Kristen menjadi umat yang paling beruntung karena nanti akan langsung diangkat ke Surga. Sehingga mereka punya kepentingan agar negara Israel tetap berdiri.
Jadi yah memang konflik Palestina Israel bisa disebut konflik rebutan tanah warisan maupun konflik agama tergantung dari perspektif yang punya kepentingan. 2009/1/12, Flora Pamungkas GMail <florapamung...@gmail.com>: > > WHY ORTHODOX JEWS ARE OPPOSED TO A ZIONIST STATE > > First some introductions: > > 1) What is "The People of Israel" ? > > The People of Israel have existed for thousands of years. > > They have their own particular, essential nature. > > The Torah is the source of their essential nature. > > Without Torah and Faith there is no People of Israel. > > Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the People of > Israel. > > The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine Service. > > Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service. > > 2) What is Zionism? > > Zionism is a relatively new thing. > > It has only existed for a century. > > Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the People of Israel, and > substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character - a > materialistic worldly nation. > > Their misfortune is lack of what other nations possess, i.e. a state and > army. > > Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc. > > This is clearly spelled out in the circles of Zionist thought, and among > the > leaders of the Zionist State, that through changing the nature and > character > of the People of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set > before the People of Israel "their salvation" -- a state and an army. > > The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four > reasons: > > FIRST -- The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and > completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People > of > Israel, as is explained above. The only time that the People of Israel were > permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the > creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the > creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, > then > He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a > kingdom founded on Divine Service. However, a worldly state, like those > possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the > People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he > denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, > a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly > materialistic "salvation," and the means of achieving this "salvation" is > also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize a land and army. However, > the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. > This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by > occupation to Torah and good deeds. > > SECOND -- Because of all of this and other reasons the Torah forbids us to > end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed > He, > in His Glory and Essence will redeem us. This is forbidden even if the > state > is conducted according to the law of the Torah because arising from the > exile itself is forbidden, and we are required to remain under the rule of > the nations of the world, as is explained in the book VAYOEL MOSHE. If we > transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (may we be spared) > terrible punishment. > > THIRD -- Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are > diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. Because the foundation of > the Faith and Torah of Israel is that the Torah was revealed from heaven, > and there is reward for those who obey it and punishment for those who > transgress it. The entire People of Israel is required to obey the Torah, > and whoever doesn't want to, ceases to be part of the congregation of > Israel. > > FOURTH -- Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah > they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power > from fulfilling the commands of the Torah, the claims to freedom of > religion > are lies. They fight with all of their strength to destroy the Faith of > Israel. > > The Zionists claim that they are the saviors of Israel, but this is refuted > by twelve things: > > FIRST -- If one contemplates the two thousand years of our exile, take any > hundred years even the hardest, one will not find as much suffering, > bloodshed, and catastrophes for the People of Israel in the period of the > Zionists, and it is known that most of the suffering of this century was > caused by the Zionists, as our Rabbis warned us would be the case. > > SECOND -- It is openly stated in books written by the founders of Zionism > that the means by which they planned to establish a state was by > instigating > anti-Semitism, and undermining the security of the Jews in all the lands of > the world, until they would be forced to flee to their state. And thus they > did - They intentionally infuriated the German people and fanned the flames > of Nazi hatred, and they helped the Nazis, with trickery and deceit, to > take > whole Jewish communities off to the concentration camps, and the Zionists > themselves admit this. (See the books Perfidy, Min Hameitzor, etc.). The > Zionists continue to practice this strategy today. They incite > anti-Semitism > and then they present themselves as the "saviors". Here are two replies > given by Leaders of the Zionists during World War II, when they were asked > for money to help ransom Jews from the Nazis. Greenbaum said "One cow in > Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland." (G-d forbid). > > Weitzman said, "The most important part of the Jewish people is already in > the land (of Israel) and those who are left, are unimportant" (May we be > spared). > > THIRD -- We see that most of world Jewry lives in security and under good > physical conditions, and have no desire to go live in the Zionist State. > Whereas many people have left the Zionist State to live under better > conditions in other lands. > > FOURTH -- The Zionists make a great deal of propaganda to induce people to > immigrate to their state. If their state is so beneficial why do they have > to make so much propaganda. > > FIFTH -- Because nobody wants the Zionists to "save" them. The only way > they > can get immigrants is by promising poor people material benefits, and even > then very few people respond. > > SIXTH -- The Zionist State is always threatened by the dangers of war. > Whereas the rest of world Jewry live in peace and security, (Except in a > few > places where the Zionists have undermined their security and fanned the > flames of hatred) > > SEVENTH -- The Zionist State could not continue to exist without economic > support from Jews living outside of the Zionist State. > > EIGHTH -- The Zionist State is on the verge of economic collapse, and their > money is nearly worthless. > > NINTH -- The Zionist State persecute all Jews who are loyal to their Faith. > > TENTH -- They start wars that endanger the Jewish People, for the sake of > their own political interests. > > ELEVENTH - According to the Torah the path of safety is following ways of > peace not starting fights with other nations, as the Zionists do. > > TWELFTH -- Even if the Zionists could and would provide physical security > it > would be at the expense of our Faith and Our Torah the true People of > Israel > prefer death rather than life at such a cost. > > It is therefore clear that Zionism is not the savior of the people of > Israel. Rather it is their greatest misfortune. > > Even though there are some observant Jews and rabbis, who approve of the > Zionists, this is not the opinion of the Torah. > > The Zionists have enough control over the American news media to make sure > that only their side of the story is heard. > > They make it look like all Jewry and their rabbis are Zionists, but this is > false propaganda. > > The most important Rabbis and the majority of religious Jewry are opposed > to > Zionism, but their voice is not heard because of Zionist control of > American > news media. > > The Zionists terrorize everyone who speaks out against them. > > That part of the Jewish masses which is fooled by Zionist propaganda puts > pressure on their Rabbis not to speak out. > > Between the terror and the pressure of the masses most of the Rabbis are > prevented from speaking out. > > We bring three testimonies of the true opinion of the Torah. > > 1) In the past two thousand years of the dangers and sufferings of exile > not > once did any of the Sages of Israel suggest that we make a state to protect > ourselves. In every generation we had thousands of Sages well versed in the > Torah. > > 2) We have thousands of legal work of Torah law that have been handed down > to us by the Sages of all generations. Not once do we see a word suggesting > the establishment of a state. What we do find is warnings against it. > > 3) The founders of Zionism were all atheists who denied the Torah. All the > Torah Sages of that time opposed them and opposed Zionism, saying that > Zionism would lead only to destruction. > > However the true People of Israel will never change their nature or give up > their Faith because of the strength the Creator gives them. > > Zionism is a foreign growth in the body of the Jewish People. The end will > be that it will rid itself of this foreign growth and remain pure. > > Zionism has overcome the Jewish people by force, fraud and terror, but none > of this will help them because the truth will always remain with the help > of > the Creator. > > Zionism will not replace the Jewish People. The Jewish People will remain > strong in their faith and the Zionist State will cease to exist. > > It is therefore, our demand that the State that calls itself ISRAEL, should > cease to exist. Since this won't be done, we demand that they cease to call > themselves "Israel", because their entire being is in complete opposition > to > the true People of Israel. The true People of Israel deny them permission > to > call themselves by that name. The Zionist leaders have no right to set > themselves up as the representatives and spokesmen of the true People of > ISRAEL. > > Since we know they will not fulfill this demand either we feel that at > least > we cry out the truth. The truth will always remain the truth. By no means > or > force can the truth be changed. Even if all the world would say that one > and > one is three, the truth will remain that one and one is two. > > Let the truth be declared. The use of the Name "ISRAEL" by that State is a > complete falsification. The People of Israel have nothing to do with that > State. Zionism and its State have no share and no part in the true ISRAEL. > > http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm > > JUDAISM VERSUS ZIONISM > > Judaism believes in One God who revealed the Torah. It affirms Divine > Providence and, accordingly, views Jewish exile as a punishment for sin. > Redemption may be achieved solely through prayer and penance. Judaism calls > upon all Jews to obey the Torah in its entirety including the commandment > to > be patriotic citizens. > > Zionism rejects the Creator, His Revelation and reward and punishment. > Among > its fruits are the persecution of the Palestinian people and the spiritual > and physical endangering of the Jewish people. It encourages treasonous, > dual loyalty among unsuspecting Jews throughout the world. At its root > Zionism sees reality as barren and desacralized. It is the antithesis of > Torah Judaism. > > There is a vile lie, which stalks the Jewish people across the globe. It is > a lie so heinous, so far from the truth, that it can only gain popularity > due to the complicity of powerful forces in the "mainstream" media and > educational establishment. > > It is a lie which has brought many innocent people untold suffering and if > unchecked has the potential to create extraordinary tragedy in the future. > > It is the lie that declares that Judaism and Zionism are identical. > > Nothing could be further from the truth. > > Judaism is the belief in revelation at Sinai. It is the belief that exile > is > a punishment for Jewish sins. > > Zionism has for over a century denied Sinaitic revelation. It believes that > Jewish exile can be ended by military aggression. > > Zionism has spent the past century strategically dispossessing the > Palestinian people. It has ignored their just claims and subjected them to > persecution, torture and death. > > Torah Jews the world over are shocked and pained at this short-lived dogma > of irreligiosity and cruelty. Thousands of Torah scholars and saints have > condemned this movement from its inception. They knew that the pre-existing > good relationship between Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land was bound to > suffer as Zionism advanced. > > The so-called "State of Israel" stands rejected on religious grounds by the > Torah. Its monstrous insensitivity to the laws of basic decency and > fairness > appall all men be they Jewish or not. > > We of Neturei Karta have been in the forefront of the battle against > Zionism > for over a century. > > Our presence here is to refute the base lie that the evil, which is > Zionism, > in some way represents the Jewish people. > > The reverse is true. > > We are saddened day in and day at the terrible toll of death emanating from > the Holy Land. Not one of them would have occurred if Zionism had not > unleashed its evil energies upon the world. > > As Jews we are called upon to live in peace and harmony with all men. We > are > exhorted to be law abiding and patriotic citizens in all lands. > > We condemn the current Zionist atrocities in the Holy Land. We yearn for > peace based upon mutual respect. We are convinced that this proposed mutual > respect is doomed to fail as long as the Israeli state exists. We welcome > its abolition in a peaceful manner. > > May we be worthy of true redemption when all men will join in brotherhood > in > His worship. > > http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/judaism_v_zionism.cfm > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > Re: Peta Palestina [Sebelum dan Sesudah Dicaplok Israel] > > Posted by: "Ari Condro" masar...@gmail.com <masarcon%40gmail.com> masarcon > > > Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:56 pm (PST) > > 1. Kanaan / palestina kan memang dijanjikan tuhan pada bangsa israel. Jadi > klaim historisnya lebih kuat daripada ngeklaim tanah lain. Tercantum di > bible gitu lho. > > The Hebrew Bible provides three different sets of borders each with a > different purpose. The passages where these are defined are Genesis > 15:18-21, Numbers 34:1-15 and Ezekiel 47:13-20 > > 2. Kalau ngeklaim tanah lain, misal di brazil, ntar sengketa sama indian, > kalo minta di aussie ntar sengketa sama sama aborigin. > > 3. Kembali ke tanah air, dimana haikal sulaiman berada, dimana tembok > ratapan ada, rumah mereka, tempat mereka berkali kali diusir dari tanah > mereka, dijadikan tawanan untuk mengabdi pada kebudayaan lain oleh bangsa > bangsa besar (dua kali mereka mengalami diaspora, salah satunya oleh orang > orang babylon), maka kembali membangun kerajaan yudea, home sweet home, > baiti jannati, adalah impian semua orang yahudi yang mencintai tradisinya > dan agamanya > > 4. Misale puput dulu punya tanah kelurga yg diberikan raja jaman dulu, > terus > karena aceh dijajah belanda, puput diusir, dan tanahnya dirampas, ditempati > ama orang lain. Ketika belandanya abis, dan aceh diperintah indonesia, dan > puput udah bantu pemerintah dgn cara urunan beli seulawah, masa keluarga > puput gak kepengen klaim tanah keluarga lagi. Apalagi dekrit tanah pusako > masih ada di kitab bustanussalatin misale. > > Ada keinginan dong buat klaim tanah itu. Orang yang nempatin tanah puput > yah > kalo bisa dihela keluar. Paling banter puput ngasih bagian tanah sama orang > yg nempatin tanah puput. Tentunya orang itu kagak boleh ngelunjak pada > puput > yg merupakan pemilih sah tanah pusako itu. > > Kalo ternyata orang yg sudah dapat bagian tanah itu lantas suka maling > jemuran, suka ngerusak barang di rumah puput. Puput marah gak ? > > Sesimpel itu sih harusnya ... :)) > > salam, > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
