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I like your grandmothers three ways to live, as for the American Declaration
of Independence.. ideally this is how the world shoud be, but realistically,
its not going to happen. We only have to look at this list, heated
antagonistic discussions, nationalistic views that are perceived differently
by others. While there are countries out there that practice human rights
abuses, and while there are people out there who believe that the only way
is their way world peace and govt are not going to happen.
The UN is an idealist entity that upholds sovereignty and humans rights, bu
without the ultimate determinant=force, it has no capacity to ensure
security or safety, or uphold any life or freedom
> Maree wrote: "The UN recognizes sovereignty, not indigenous peoples
> separately. If they
> were to recognize ALL the indigenous races, that have been encapsulated
> capitalist pretensions, then New York would have a bigger problem (LOL
> Seriously, we are trying to address reconciliation issues, the problem is
> that there are so many, and each person has a different depth of trauma
> associated with their life. Also, is this idea of social conformity, if
> peoples are prompted to take on their own evolution, there would be
> problems.[ A bit of Anarchy !]"
> Let's see the Declaration of Independence for the United States says-
> "We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal,
> that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,
> that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". I
> think we have a hard time living up to the ideal of this statement, and I
> think if we more concerned about anarchy than the ideal of unalienable
> rights, liberty might be jeopardized? Not just someone else's but our
> What is this idea of social conformity? Seriously, has someone
> determined the model we should conform to, and if so how did this someone
> get that right? Honestly, I am confused. My grandmother lived by these
> three values:
> 1. We treat everyone with respect, because we are respectful people. It
> matters not if the other is a bum or the major, because it isn't the
> other who determines our behavior.
> 2. We act with dignity and protect the dignity of others. For example
> when a quest in someone else's home (territory) one should do as the host
> does. The book titled "Ugly American" said what made Americans ugly is
> the attitude that they had unquestioned right to set the standards by
> which everyone should live. The relationship between respect and dignity
> is too close to divide.
> 3. We do everything with integrity which means going beyond basic
> morality of don't lie, steal, cheat, to being honorable.
> This is talking human relationships, not conforming or imposing an order
> to prevent anarchy. It is about controlling our own behavior to create
> pleasurable human relationships. No effort to make and enforce laws can
> do human beings living by these values can do, and when everyone lives by
> these values, liberty is protected, because then there is not need for an
> authority above the people.
> I may be too idealistic, but I don't think we will ever have world peace
> without the values of my grandmothers generation. Can the United Nations
> promote human beings around the world to live with such values, and to
> stay out of each others backyards unless they are invited quest, and when
> a quest submit to the host's customs and values? Good manners can do
> what written agreements and military might can't do. And the nation that
> does the most to accommodate aborigines, is the most civilized and
> should stand in the highest global esteem, as an example to others. In
> contrast the trouble in the Holy Lands is a screaming example of how not
> to behave. What problem could come out of allowing people to follow
> their own evolution, could be worse than what happens when people of
> different religions are intolerant of each other?
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