well, in Eastern Europe countries we often have static IP (i'd say 70% - for Ukraine) with 100mbit Ethernet Internet (believe - no DSL at all, in 'weakest' places - cable modems)
i'v heard - USA have, besides 4g future, some other government plans to make a normal (for me it's - no NAT's , just static, in my opinion - you should act for privacy by using open systems, without IP history storing or with nice opt-out, than relate on that dynamic IP would help your privacy or security.. however - i don't know what USA will have actually) also - when i talking about 100mbit - it's real, about 11mb/sec if you use p2p. besides, POW's stack and python generally aren't for avarage Win7 user, aren't it? maintaining POW instance (i don't talk about WIAB at all, i don't know it's recent condition) is for 1 person per block, in best case , and - it's said - people who want to do such a generous job can easily have static IP and all the needed staff, look at - http://podup.sargodarya.de/ for example, Diaspora is like Wave social competitor ain't it? i can't say it WIAB's competitor so it's pity - we discuss all this on WIAB list again while we have - http://piratepad.net/HET5ojzCXM (and it's nice working mirror - http://primarypad.com/OeMj2ZnZqo) .. anyway by the way -- i'm not a p2p funboy of !any kind, what i have described and what Joseph and dozens of other social 'hackers' have in mind and use now - is - distributive DB's p2p or not as i said, by p2p you can imagine some speed boost, if any have in mind other distributive solution - it needed to be discussed .. Camlistore - why not? https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Tahoe_Least-Authority_Filesystem why not? other cool variants.. point by point. that's how we can start to move forward, excuse me, Adrian, but i don't see any further constructivism in saying "(De-)Centralized providers would provide this much better" than "p2p Wave" >It would also >be more convenient because users would not need to download clients. users should not download clients at all - have you (that who reading it) using a nice GMail-Yahoo client, for example? or FB client? i really wonder - how many people uses clients for messaging at all.. i have, really, seen many old and not so old people all over the world (sorry WIAB list) having HUGE problems with Outlooks, from year to year, maybe someone using The Bat or Thunderbird now? there is again a diversity of that client's, it's cool, but - who really can do a job on creating a Thunderbird's or The Bat's quality client for WAVE? Anyone has a great plan? as i understand, please correct me if i wrong - WIAB is like a corporative segment? maybe some proprietary clients? anyone? we even can't federate each other with best and most developed federative protocol. we have VK here a slightly more interesting FB alternative, supports XMPP, "In December 2009 the site had a user base of 50 million, and by November 2010 that had risen to 100 million. On 11 February 2011 VK reverted to user registration by invitation only." i'v seen dozens of young, relatively tech people, here, who don't like to deal with simple Pidgin, Miranda or other XMPP client, IRC clients? NO, web chat's that what people i'v seen - prefer. i understand we have a kind of different 'worlds' but it's pretty clear for many, many western tech articles i'v seen that now are Web Apps and Web UI-UX-Usee time. maybe here is a bit of misunderstanding on what i mean i mean distributive (like a back-up, crypto, and copy) DB, federating in WaveProtocol terms adds a possibility of client to another server - to client messaging transfer , am i wrong? that's why it called federation and not OpenID, i think. that c-s-c isn't what i mean for distributive (p2p, parallel, name it better) DB(persistence, storage etc.) -- for it i mean: let's say we finally using Wave embedded - instead/in places of Forums, Comments, Blogs, Pads let's say we don't want to rely on archive.org or to lose that F/C/B/P generated knowledge like we are and we will lose it now, what we can do? campadrenalin (https://github.com/campadrenalin/ConcurrenTree) has inspiring article http://thisisimprobable.tumblr.com/post/4977027269/the-freenet-effect-vs-viral-survival few words "And all you have to do to be sure of that is check that you have at least 5 peers that have that block." ok, assume, we believe him , what we can do with it? use it in DB and extensions aren't it obvious? how to use it? we have another option? i can name - distributive grid systems, more like Google 600000 or how many does they have now.. is it possible and is it a goal for any here or there to maintain the, let's imagine 1000 systems network - across the globe in one hands? by answering - No - in mind, in result - only the magical Federation protocol can help... or just good enough. again - even browser version change - bring confusion to many. and i strongly believe: more convenient would be - not to force hypothetical users to port Wave Extensions (i mean - gadg/rob) from system to system, - not to force that users - to register dozen of accounts, - not to force that users to relay on centralised service, since Wave's is open-source non commercial systems essentially, and we don't have even Diaspora's and Status.net's main servers. And, probably won't have. But the point in Wave is Federation, since it !must be better than Etherpad, that's our need, wasn't it? PS: i would be Really Happy if at least - half of my real questions from that mails could be answered here, and at least half of http://primarypad.com/OeMj2ZnZqo Wave people developed objectives will be discussed there by Apache Wave members, if not , it would be obvious that we are talking on wrong mailing list and with wrong community.
