I've subbed to the list and i'm watching. I tried to reply this morning but
it didn't like it, maybe my phone's email is unhappy.
Thanks
Angus Turner
angusisf...@gmail.com


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:

> Yes, I have. See http://s.apache.org/qx6 for the progress made. I've
> found the docs you got in the foundation records (under CCLAs not under
> software grants) and we now know that they do function as a grant (think
> grant covers existing code and CCLA covers future activity of employed
> contributors).
>
> I'm not sure that that grants us the right to remove the headers, let's
> see if we get an answer to that.
>
> Upayavira
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Angus Turner wrote:
> > So you've sent one to legal-discuss? (just confirming)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25/09/2012, at 7:33 AM, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Oops, just sent one there... :-)
> > >
> > > Let's see if we get something back.
> > >
> > > Upayavira
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012, at 09:28 PM, Angus Turner wrote:
> > >> Hey Guys,
> > >> I've gotten the original documents back from Dan, it seems to was just
> > >> the
> > >> standard CCLA. I plan to write an email to legal-discuss now to sort
> this
> > >> out. I've made progress on a number of other fronts with the 3rd party
> > >> libraries so i'll write up a status email after this is sorted out.
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Angus Turner
> > >> h...@theangus.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Angus Turner <h...@theangus.org>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Yeah I can do that. I'm inclined to think that they can go, as
> elsewhere
> > >>> in the code base it's just 'Copyright 2011 Google'. It'd be great to
> get
> > >>> the original agreements between Google and Apache to see what the
> terms
> > >>> were, which would also help to answer the question. I'd prefer to
> find them
> > >>> before I go to legal-discuss, so we have more to give them.
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't think the plain 'Copyright Google 2011' can be removed
> however...
> > >>>
> > >>> So can someone weigh in on what the original agreements were? Whether
> > >>> Google gave the code to Apache or just licensed it...
> > >>>
> > >>> I've emailed Dan Peterson as per a suggestion from Upayavira, so
> we'll see
> > >>> where that gets us re: this issue.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>> Angus Turner
> > >>> h...@theangus.org
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I'm inclined to agree, but it would be wise for someone to
> subscribe to
> > >>>> legal-discuss@a.o and ask there. Angus, would you be willing to do
> that?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The question really is whether we have the right to do that, and it
> > >>>> depends upon the documentation that Google have provided - i.e. did
> they
> > >>>> sign a software grant for Wave? I don't recall the terms on which
> the
> > >>>> code was given to Apache, and we're gonna have to clarify that
> before we
> > >>>> can decide whether we can remove the Google copyright headers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Upayavira
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 05:11 PM, Yuri Zelikov wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sept. 21, 2012, 3:54 p.m., Yuri Zelikov wrote:
> > >>>>>>> @Ali, is this patch ready? If so, can you commit it?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ali Lown wrote:
> > >>>>>>    As Angus says at the end: "Just waiting for someone to weigh in
> > >>>> re: Google Headers"
> > >>>>>>    TLDR: Should we still be keeping the "(C) Google" headers when
> we
> > >>>> have the Apache headers as well?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I guess we should replace the Google headers with Apache headers.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> - Yuri
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>> This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit:
> > >>>>> https://reviews.apache.org/r/7077/#review11776
> > >>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sept. 14, 2012, 9:45 p.m., Angus Turner wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>> This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit:
> > >>>>>> https://reviews.apache.org/r/7077/
> > >>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> (Updated Sept. 14, 2012, 9:45 p.m.)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Review request for wave.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Description
> > >>>>>> -------
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Patch ensuring all the code headers are right, as well as the
> license
> > >>>> and notice files.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Diffs
> > >>>>>> -----
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  /COPYING 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /DISCLAIMER PRE-CREATION
> > >>>>>>  /NOTICES PRE-CREATION
> > >>>>>>  /build-proto.properties.example 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /build.properties 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /check-certificates.sh 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /make_cert.sh 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /platforms/ubuntu/daemon-script.sh 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /platforms/ubuntu/server-wrapper.sh 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /process-script-args.sh 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /proto_src/org/waveprotocol/box/common/comms/WaveClientRpc.java
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /proto_src/org/waveprotocol/box/profile/ProfilesProto.java
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /proto_src/org/waveprotocol/box/search/SearchProto.java 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /proto_src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/persistence/protos/ProtoAccountStoreData.java
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /proto_src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/persistence/protos/ProtoDeltaStoreData.java
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /proto_src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/rpc/Rpc.java 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /proto_src/org/waveprotocol/protobuf/Extensions.java 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /proto_src/org/waveprotocol/wave/concurrencycontrol/ClientServer.java
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /proto_src/org/waveprotocol/wave/diff/Diff.java 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /proto_src/org/waveprotocol/wave/federation/FederationErrorProto.java
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /proto_src/org/waveprotocol/wave/federation/Proto.java 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /run-export.sh 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /run-import.sh 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /run-server.sh 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /server.config.example 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /server.federation.config.example 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /spec/waveid/Makefile 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /spec/waveid/waveidspec.html 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/common/comms/waveclient-rpc.proto
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/profile/profiles.proto 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/search/search.proto 1384205
> > >>>>>>
>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/frontend/WaveViewSubscription.java
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/gxp/AuthenticationPage.gxp
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/gxp/OAuthAuthorizeTokenPage.gxp
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/gxp/RobotRegistrationPage.gxp
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/gxp/RobotRegistrationSuccessPage.gxp
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/gxp/TopBar.gxp 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/gxp/UserRegistrationPage.gxp
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/gxp/WaveClientPage.gxp 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/persistence/protos/account-store.proto
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/persistence/protos/delta-store.proto
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/server/rpc/rpc.proto 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/webclient/search/Search.css 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/webclient/search/SearchPanel.css
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/webclient/search/mock/digest.css
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/webclient/widget/frame/FramedPanel.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/box/webclient/widget/loading/Loading.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/protobuf/extensions.proto 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/api/api.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/api/beans.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/api/enum.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/api/interface.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/builder/beans.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/builder/buildField.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/builder/class.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/builder/fieldDeclaration.st
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/builder/importUtil.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/builder/imports.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/gson/class.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/gson/clearField.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/gson/fromGsonField.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/gson/fromGsonFieldInner.st
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/gson/importUtil.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/gson/imports.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/gson/toGsonField.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/gson/toGsonFieldInner.st
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/jso/beans.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/jso/class.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/jso/importUtil.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/jso/imports.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/pojo/addHashCode.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/pojo/beans.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/pojo/class.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/pojo/clearField.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/pojo/copyField.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/pojo/fieldDeclaration.st
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/pojo/importUtil.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/pojo/imports.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/pojo/returnFalseIfNotEqual.st
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/proto/beans.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/proto/class.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/proto/copyField.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/proto/enumHelpers.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/proto/fromGsonField.st
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/proto/importUtil.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/proto/imports.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/proto/messageHelpers.st
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/proto/splitPoint.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/proto/toGsonField.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/util/addHashCode.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/util/class.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/util/imports.st 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/pst/templates/util/returnFalseIfNotEqual.st
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/debug/logger/Logger.css 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/doodad/attachment/render/Thumbnail.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/doodad/experimental/htmltemplate/secureStyles.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/doodad/form/button/Button.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/doodad/form/check/CheckBase.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/doodad/form/check/Label.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/doodad/form/input/Input.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/doodad/form/input/Password.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/doodad/selection/CaretMarker.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/editor/Editor.css 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/editor/content/Default.css
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/editor/extract/Extract.css
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/editor/harness/public/EditorTest.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/editor/harness/public/EditorTest.html
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/editor/impl/DiffManager.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/editor/sugg/Suggestion.css
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/gadget/renderer/Gadget.css
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/scheduler/knobs/knobs.css
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/testing/public/UndercurrentHarness.html
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/impl/edit/KeepFocusInView.java
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/impl/toolbar/EditToolbar.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/impl/toolbar/attachment/AttachmentPopupWidget.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/view/dom/full/Blip.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/view/dom/full/BlipLinkPopupWidget.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/view/dom/full/mock/blip.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/view/dom/full/mock/blip.html
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/view/dom/full/mock/focus.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/view/dom/full/mock/inline_thread.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/view/dom/full/mock/inline_thread.html
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/view/dom/full/mock/participation.html
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> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/view/dom/full/mock/tmp_inline_thread.html
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/widget/button/icon/IconButtonTemplate.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/widget/button/icon/IconButtonTemplate1.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
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> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/widget/toolbar/buttons/VerticalToolbarButtonWidget.css
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/communication/proto/Int52.java 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/concurrencycontrol/clientserver.proto
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/diff/diff.proto 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/federation/federation.protodevel
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /src/org/waveprotocol/wave/federation/federation_error.protodevel
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /test/com/google/wave/api/AttachmentRobotTest.java 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /test/org/waveprotocol/box/common/ExceptionalIteratorTest.java
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /test/org/waveprotocol/box/server/robots/RobotsTestBase.java
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /test/org/waveprotocol/box/server/rpc/WebSocketChannelTest.java
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /test/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/doodad/link/LinkTest.java
> 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> /test/org/waveprotocol/wave/client/wavepanel/impl/diff/DiffControllerTest.java
> > >>>> 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /tools/eclipse.sh 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /war/static/auth.css 1384205
> > >>>>>>  /whitepapers/Makefile 1384205
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Diff: https://reviews.apache.org/r/7077/diff/
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Testing
> > >>>>>> -------
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> n/a
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Angus Turner
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
>

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