Hi Aldon,

This is Vick, a MSc student from Imperial College London. I am very
interested in the idea of "accessing Waves via IMAP", and I am
thinking about doing a similar research for my postgraduate project,
like to build a Wave-IMAP server to pass waves through IMAP to the
user client, e.g. Thunderbird. Could you explain a bit detail to me?
Like how could we pass waves through IMAP? Maybe we need a Wave-IMAP
gateway server, which implements federation protocol to communicate
other wave servers and opens an IMAP interface to the email client, so
that the webpage-based waves are embedded in the MIME-based IMAP
messages to the user client?

Thanks a lot.

Vick

On Dec 22 2009, 1:41 pm, "Aldon Hynes" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Sounds good to me.  You want to build a prototype you can share with the
> list?
>
> Depending on the language you like, you might want to try building something
> in Java, using the example console client that comes with FedOne.  Or, you
> might want to use the QT/C++ code that is part of QWaveclient.  (I've been
> testing that a little bit on my Nokia N900, looks very promising).  Or, you
> might want to use the Ruby code that Dan set up as part of his Ruby on Sails
> project (Dan, you still around?  Got any updates?)
>
> The other thing that I'm interested in is other ways of interacting.  For
> example, could I build an XMPP gateway so that waves show up as XMPP
> conversations?  You would lose some of the neat features that way, but it
> would make accessible in a bunch of interesting new ways.  I've had the same
> thought about accessing Waves via IMAP.
>
> Then, of course, there is the idea of Wave-Virtual World connectivity.  I've
> been very interested in Wave-Second Life interconnectivity, as well as
> possibly interconnectivity with projects like OpenSim or OpenCobalt.  I
> believe both already have some XMPP functionality built in, so it might be a
> very interesting project to work on.  (Extra points goes to the student that
> builds a Wave Server that runs in OpenSim or OpenCobalt).
>
> Random thoughts for now,
> Aldonhttp://www.orient-lodge.com/wave
>
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> Subject: Gadget like client interfaces.
>
> Forgive me if I have posted this in the wrong place
>
> I see federation working in terms of data, however I can think of one
> key idea disrupting the true potential of federation. That is
> differences in client interfaces.
>
> This is because conceivably one particular solution say an enterprise
> solution, might want to represent things differently for a particular
> application. There is no reason why a wave has to be represented like
> wavelets and blips are now (conversation like). Obviously things like
> flat style waves are fairly trivial, but this is not necessarily
> sharing the wave as intended.
>
> I think it is natural that a conversation is attached to what you are
> doing. However if what you are doing is working on a specific thing,
> rather than just being a dialogue, I would want the specific thing and
> its interface to the focus of the wave and not the conversation (I
> still support the idea of having gadgets in blips).
>
> This is because if we want to work on a document we want to work on a
> document. I don t want it remotely bridged it a haphazard way through
> robots, similarly I doesn t make much sense to have it imbedded in a
> blip.
>
> So personally I would say lead by example. Instead of a fixed
> interface have the client environment with a default interface that
> gracefully erodes, and you get to choose your interface for a wave
> which would be a bit like a gadget. You would have access to the wave
> conversation
>
> Example would be working on google docs through wave, say on a
> spreadsheet.
>
> It is also a solution to the embed API. You wouldn t need to duplicate
> data with robots, simply have an agent that acts a bridge, and style
> appropriately. The API would allow you to choose your interface, and
> which aspects of the environment you want exposed.
>
> Security concerns are the same as they are now, it comes down to
> education at the end of the day.
>
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