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Today's Topics:
1. Re: y'all ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
2. Y'all (Doug & Maria Largent)
3. Ignition Switch (Kyle Cantrell)
4. "y'all" (Jason Harrod)
5. pop/coke/soda .. national web vote! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
6. RE: Ya'll in Georgia (Ed O'Dwyer)
7. All Souls Church in Scott, Arkansas (Rick Hyde)
8. I stand alone! (Carol Stonemetz)
9. Re: dialogue (Cynthia Mahoney)
10. All Souls Church (Richard Hoffstedt)
11. Out of our minds? (Danny Taylor)
12. Proper use of y'all and y'all's (sallie thayer)
13. address request (Paul Mulik)
14. Men and blabbermouths (Paul Mulik)
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Message: 1
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:10:38 EDT
Subject: Re: y'all
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 9/2/02 7:07:35 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I also had to address the ya'll question....as I always "knowed" it...ya'll
> is
> singular, ya'll's is plural...although ya'll can mean more than one...
The way I was brought up, "y'all" always means "you all." Yankees use the
term "you guys" even if the group is all female. "Y'all" singular is
improper and a true southerner will call you on it.
Dixon (nice talking to y'all)
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Message: 2
From: "Doug & Maria Largent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Y'all
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:59:50 +0000
I don't mean to make a moulage but Y'all is always plural. It irratates me
to read in books or see on tv or movie phony southerners uses y'all as
singular. Y'all is plural. MJL
the everthinning Fat man said: I also had to address the ya'll
question....as I always "knowed"
it...ya'll is
singular, ya'll's is plural...although ya'll can mean more than
one...but it's
not proper, 'ceptin sometimes it is...kinda like eatin' a
moonpie without an
RC...for further studies of proper southern behavior and for a
vast
understanding on a greater plane....I would suggest none other
than Brother
Dave Gardner....halleluiah! "...the reason I say ye ever now'n
a'gin is to
keep from the repetition of yall's..." Bro. Dave
Bless thee!
The ever thinnin' fatman
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Message: 3
From: "Kyle Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ignition Switch
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:20:08 -0500
During the 1960s, my dad drove a lot of Fords, and I recall the
ignition/starter key switches all being on the left, until they began
putting them on the "steering colyum" around 1970 or so. I think that was
just Ford's way of doing things.
I'm not sure what year Aunt Bee's car is, but we also had a 1955 Ford
pickup. It had the ignition key switch on the right, and the starter button
on the left (yes, if it was in gear, even with the ignition switch off, the
truck would "lurch" if you pushed the starter button without engaging the
clutch--Ralph Nader would've had a fit). I remember the owner's manual
saying that having the starter switch on the dashboard was a new feature and
an improvement over it being on the floor, as it used to be on older cars
and trucks.
My theory is that when Ford integrated the ignition switch and starter
switch into one, key operated unit, they chose to put it on the left, since
that's where they were putting the starter button anyway.
You'll notice when Andy and Barney start the squad car, they do so from the
left of the steering wheel--again, typical of 1960s Fords.
"Relaxing before lunch"
Kyle in Nashville
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 10:45:13 -0400
Subject: "y'all"
From: Jason Harrod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Y'all" is an inclusive plural personal pronoun. "Y'all's" is the
possessive form.
The word "y'all" fills a hole in the English language, which, when spoken
"properly" doesn't distinguish between the singular personal pronoun ("you")
and the plural personal pronoun ("you").
Other folks fill this hole with "yous" or "you guys," or "you'ns" (in PA).
Necessity is the mother of invention, right?
J
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Message: 5
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:55:47 EDT
Subject: pop/coke/soda .. national web vote!
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It seems WBMUTBB'ers aren't the only ones weighing in on the pop/soda/coke
debate! I found this story for release today on The Associated Press wire and
thought you all would enjoy it! ... Amy Wolfford, Greensboro, NC
* * * * *
Pop, soda or coke? 29,000 Web votes define borders of passionate debate
By JASON STRAZIUSO
Associated Press Writer
JACKSON, Miss. (AP) ... In the South it's called coke, even when it's
Pepsi. Many in Boston say tonic. A precious few even order a fizzy drink.
But all those generic names for soft drink are linguistic undercards in
the nation's carbonated war of words. The real battle: pop vs. soda.
Order a soda in Michigan or Minnesota and you're clearly an outsider. Ask
for pop in New York City and you risk being ridiculed. Bert Vaux, a
linguistics professor
at Harvard, says many Americans are overly passionate about their beverage
name.
``For reasons that are unclear to me people feel they have license to
attack those who say pop as stupid or illogical,'' Vaux said. ``I use coke
because I grew up in
Houston. They're not too fond of that around here. However, it's not as
stigmatized as saying
pop.''
The pop-soda-coke divide has always created vague, and usually incorrect,
assumptions about who says what where, Vaux said. But for the first time,
Internet technology
-- and 29,000 votes on a Web site -- has defined the debate's borders.
The site, created eight years ago as a college project, asks visitors to
enter their childhood zip code and the soft drink term they use. Their vote
is then
placed on a U.S. map as a colored dot.
What has emerged is a swath of coke votes across the South, pop votes in
the Midwest and Canada, and soda votes in the Northeast and California, and
-- curiously
-- in St. Louis and Milwaukee.
Who's winning? It's, um, bottle neck and neck. Pop and soda each have
about 11,300 votes, or 39 percent. Coke has about 4,800 votes.
Aside from raw numbers, the site also captures the passion in the debate,
as posted messages show:
--Historically, the correct term is 'phosphate,' which was defined by
soda jerks. Therefore soda is clearly WRONG.
--Be aware that soft drink is common in the South, where I am from, and
using 'pop' or 'soda' will get you a VERY peculiar look.
New Orleans resident Kristi Trentecosta, a coke person, is one of those
giving out the peculiar looks. She said pop is ``creepy.''
``It's kind of dorky. It's kind of like a 'gee wilikers,''' Trentecosta
said. ``It's just one of those things that always sounded odd to me. I'm sure
there's no good
reason for it.''
Vaux said, indeed, logic is not involved.
``A kid hearing pop growing up in Ohio doesn't think, 'Hmm, that isn't
sufficiently logical for me. I'm not going to use it,'' Vaux said. ``They
just use whatever they
hear.''
When Alan McConchie was a freshman at the California Institute of
Technology in 1993, he broke the ice with new classmates by asking, ``Soda or
pop?''
One Web page and almost 30,000 votes later, the computer programmer is
now a part-time linguist.
``Florida splits almost right in half between saying coke and soda ...
just like the Bush-Gore thing,'' McConchie said. ``We're learning that half
of Florida is
a Southern state and the other half is people who moved in from the North.''
Seethu Seetharaman, a marketing professor at St. Louis' Washington
University, said McConchie's data isn't reliable because it's not a random
sample.
But North Carolina State University linguistics professor Walt Wolfram
disagreed, saying the pop-soda-coke divide is regional and not based on race,
age or income.
Either way, the site is giving linguists reams of data about a dialect
variable with limited research behind it.
``It's blazed a trail for doing serious linguistic study over the
Internet,'' said Vaux, who uses the site in his Harvard classes.
McConchie, raised in Washington state, grew up in a pop area, explaining
why his Web page says pop people ``are much, much cooler.''
After going to school in California, he now lives in upstate New York --
soda areas both. When ordering a cola now, which term does he use? None of
them.
``I don't really drink it that much anymore,'' he said.
TO VOTE: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~almccon/pop_soda/
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Message: 6
From: "Ed O'Dwyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Ya'll in Georgia
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:27:36 -0400
>>.as I always "knowed" it...ya'll is singular, ya'll's is
plural...although ya'll can mean more than one..<<
In our Georgia neck of the woods you would never say "ya'll" speaking to
one person. "Ya'll" refers to more than one and I've never heard
"ya'lls used since "ya'll" covers more than one. I have heard "ya'll's"
since the apostrophe denotes possessive as in "Ya'll's truck ain't big
enough to hold ya'll."
It would never do to use incorrect language by saying "Ya'll's truck
ain't big enough to hold ya'lls." That would be just as ignorant as
not knowing your boundaries. :-)
Gomer says "Hey!" to ya'll
Ed O'Dwyer
"History! That's My Subject" chapter
Alpharetta, GA
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Message: 7
From: "Rick Hyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: All Souls Church in Scott, Arkansas
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:39:15 -0500
Organization: Personal
There's also an All Souls Church located in Scott, Arkansas (just a few miles
from Little Rock National Airport just off HWY 165). And, by the way, the
church is just thirteen miles from where I live in England, Arkansas. I am the
head goober of "Malcolm Merriweather's Merrymakers of Merry Old England,
Arkansas." Our next meeting in Sunday afternoon, October 6, in the Fellowship
Hall of the First Baptist Church of England, Arkansas. I'll post a picture of
the Scott All Souls Church on our website (www.englandfbc.org/mmm.html) when I
get around to it. (Gotta take it first!)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Rick Hyde, D.Min.
Pastor
First Baptist Church
England, AR 72046
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Message: 8
From: "Carol Stonemetz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:46:38 -0500
Subject: I stand alone!
Dear Friends,
I am the only TAGS fan in my household. When I try to quote some of the
brilliant dialog, I am met with semi-tolerant silence. (I think they think I'm
stupid - it's a lonely feeling). My husband has gone so far as to say he can't
stand Barney Fife! I point out the 5 Emmys that Don Knotts won for that role,
but it makes no difference. I love TAGS. I want to live in Mayberry. I want
to be friends with all the folks there. Thank you, Allan, for maintaining
WBMUTBB. I'm learning a lot and re-enjoying what I already knew. Sadly, I'm
from the north, but please don't hold that against me. Keep the Mayberry
memories coming. Here's to a better way of life communing with my fellow
Mayberrians.
Carol
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Message: 9
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From: "Cynthia Mahoney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: dialogue
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:41:25 -0500
To Cathy: I believe that the scene you are looking for is from "The
Bookie Barber." Aunt Bee is trying to repeat to Andy some gossip she
heard from Sarah about the new barber's "girlfriends" who stay out late
and have strange names. Mary Grace Gossage"Don't tell my
daughter-in-law."
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Message: 10
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Hoffstedt)
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:58:22 -0400 (EDT)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: All Souls Church
There is also an All Souls Church in Grand
Rapids, Michigan. It is a member of the
Unitarian Universalist Association out of
Boston. Didja know that Jack Burns was
once partner with George Carlin before he
teamed up with Avery Schreiber?
Dick in Spring Lake, MI
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Message: 11
From: "Danny Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "TAGS Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Out of our minds?
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:07:46 -0500
I was wondering when it would come out.
(laughing like Peter Lorre) Out of our minds? heh heh heh.
No... we're not out of our minds... heh heh heh.....
We're just a little crazy.....(laughs insanely.)
Help.... they're taking me away.......
Sure hope the looney bin gets the TAGS digest.
Looney Dan (formerly Dapper Dan)
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Message: 12
From: "sallie thayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Proper use of y'all and y'all's
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 01:58:22 -0400
Dear Mayberry Friends: After reading the last digest and noticing that one of
our residents was attempting to explain the correct use of the term y'all -- I
just could not resist adding my own comments. As someone who grew up in Tenn.
and Alabama, I also enjoy listening to Andy talk (even when he was being extra
country with his southern accent as in the very early episodes). Because he
grew up using y'all in everyday speech, he never misuses it as so many
non-Southerners do. Remember, y'all is NEVER singular but always plural and
refers to the person to whom you are speaking as well as to the rest of their
family, the rest of the store or restaurant staff, etc. For example, I may go
into a store to see if they have a certain item. In this store there may be
only one clerk on duty. I will still say, correctly, "Do y'all carry guitar
strings?" In this case the y'all refers not only to the individual clerk but
to all the other people who work at or own the store. When I say goodbye to a
friend and say: "Y'all come to see us now, ya hear." I am referring not only
to that individual but to them and their family. As for the term y'alls, it
can only be used as a possessive and would be properly written: y'all's. As
when a deputy asks a family visiting Mayberry for the day: "Is this y'all's
car cause if it is, y'all are parked too close to the fire hydrant and I am
gonna have to write up a ticket!"
Sorry to go on for so long about this but this has always been one of my pet
peeves since Hollywood usually never gets it right!
Best of luck to you and yours,
Miz Sallie (now in Toronto but still talkin' Southern!).
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 06:33:15 -0500
From: Paul Mulik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: address request
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Does anyone have a mailing address for Maggie Petersen Mancusco?
She works for the Nevada Film Commission. You should be able to get an
address by calling information, or from one of the various "yellow pages"
web sites.
When a movie crew wants to shoot in Nevada (usually Las Vegas or Reno) then
Maggie's the one that arranges all the permits and such.
--Paul
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 06:37:42 -0500
From: Paul Mulik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Men and blabbermouths
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Greetings all. I'm working on a humorous speech for Toastmasters about
gossip.... "Well don't you want to hear what she said." I can picture the
scene in my mind and even
hear it but for the life of me the rest of the episode is blacked up.
That's from "The Bookie Barber." Sarah and Aunt Bee thought the new barber
was taking phone calls from "chorus girls" named Lindy Lou, Brown-Eyed Mary,
Tiger Lil, Apple Dumpling, etc., but of course they were really talking
about race horses.
--Paul
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