Question:  What is an SQL injection crack, and what did this developer
do wrong to make his site so crackable?

I want to be sure I'm not doing the same thing.

Casey




-----Original Message-----
From: J.R. Pitts [mailto:listuser@;wjponline.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [wdvltalk] ETHICS: Should I tell them their web site is
insecure?


Here's the situation.

Several months ago I was contacted by a potential client about doing a
web site for them. They wanted to provide a service through their web
site for which they would charge and accept payment via credit cards.

Long story shortened: I didn't get the job. I inquired a couple of
times, but was never re-contacted. I figured they just weren't going to
do it.

Well, they did do it, but had someone else program it. I was somewhat
miffed that they used someone else.

I was looking around the "free" area and noticed numerous spelling,
grammatical, and other errors. It hit me how unprofessional the job was;
and wondered just exactly how secure it was.

It was _very_ insecure. The web site was wide open to SQL injection
cracks. We're talking script-monkey easy.

There for the taking are all of their customer's names, addresses, id's
and passwords, SSN's, phone numbers, *CREDIT CARD NUMBERS AND EXPIRATION
DATES* with billing addresses.

Do I tell them? My initial reaction was to tell them. My main motivation
was "See what you got? You're gonna get hacked." I can tell them they
have a problem and here's what people can do. If you want me to tell you
how to fix it, that's gonna cost you.

I bounced this off some people whose opinion I deeply respect, but who
have no Internet law knowledge. The consensus is that I _had_ to tell
them they were vulnerable. I wasn't required to fix it for free or tell
them why they were vulnerable; but I had an ethical mandate to alert
them, because innocent people could get hurt.

But, if I tell them, they are going to want to know how I know. I
cracked into their web site. Although I would never use such
information, it could be argued that I performed an illegal activity
just by checking.

Other than checking with my lawyer, which I am already going to do, does
anyone have any suggestions? Anyone ever been in  a similar situation.

J.R.


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