Inas, I would lean more to the first choice in your list (http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home1_future2.htm )
It conveys a sense of brightness, openness, and excitement all of which perspective students, faculty and administration should find inviting. Assuming that one of the primary objectives of the sites is to recruit, this version should do well in accomplishing that end. David Milligan Web Developer Delmarva Foundation www.delmarvafoundation.org -----Original Message----- From: WDVL TALK digest [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 4:16 AM To: wdvltalk digest recipients Subject: wdvltalk digest: June 21, 2005 WDVLTALK Digest for Tuesday, June 21, 2005. 1. Fonts question 2. web design feedback 3. Database design first steps 4. Re: web design feedback 5. RE: web design feedback 6. RE: web design feedback 7. RE: web design feedback 8. Re: web design feedback 9. Re: web design feedback 10. RE: web design feedback 11. Re: wireless connection unavailable 12. Re: Database design first steps 13. Re: Database design first steps 14. Data Protection 15. Re: Data Protection 16. Re: wireless connection unavailable ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fonts question From: "Gabriel Ravarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:02:40 -0300 X-Message-Number: 1 Hi everybody, I've received some MAC fonts, and I would like to convert them to TTF fonts for PC. So far, I've found a software called CrossFont that converts them to PFM/PFB, but I would like to know if there's a way to convert those (PFM/PFB) or the original MAC fonts to TTF files. Thanks in advance, -- Gabriel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: web design feedback From: "Inas Hamam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:50:52 +0300 X-Message-Number: 2 Hi everyone, I am working on a redesign for the inside pages of our university web site...We have narrowed the choices down to two designs but now choosing one over the other is proving to be difficult so I figure it's time to call the experts in! Please look at the two pages (both have the exact same navigation structure and content) and let me know which (if any) you find more attractive, reader-friendly, etc. Ps...none of the links work... Thanks!! http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home1_future2.htm http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home3_future2.htm Thanks for all your help. Inas Hamam Office of Communications and Marketing The American University in Cairo tel 797.5529 fax 795.3565 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Database design first steps From: "Joseph Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:53:20 +0100 X-Message-Number: 3 I have, at long last, returned to designing a new site; in the time interval my knowledge has become shaky to say the least :-o I am doing my best to follow the advice of Julie C Meloni in a SAMS book. The plan is to collect email addresses by a voluntary form, via PayPal notification, through a Guest Book, review writing (the site is for a book) and possibly through a shopping cart (though this is a one product site). I hope to get the visitor/purchaser's country and whether they have bought, visited, reviewed and/or filled in the guest book. Have you an opinion on whether all the addresses should be in one table; and are there any special relationship tricks I ought to be aware of for that. TIA Joseph Joseph Harris www.smilepoetryweekly.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: web design feedback From: Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:10:36 -0400 X-Message-Number: 4 Oh boy! Both look great. I like both for different reasons. I do think that the "white" version could use a little more color somewhere. Maybe someone else can decide. :-) Riva ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: web design feedback From: "Hewitt, Cheryl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:01:07 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 Both are very nice. I think I prefer the "white" one, but like Riva said, maybe it could use some more color/detail. Would a light, thin line outlining it work? Good job -Cheryl=20 -----Original Message----- From: Portman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] web design feedback Oh boy! Both look great. I like both for different reasons. I do think that the "white" version could use a little more color somewhere. Maybe someone else can decide. :-) Riva ____ * The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM * ____ To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [email protected] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=3Dwdvltalk ________________ http://www.wdvl.com _______________________ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: web design feedback From: "Steven Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:05:46 -0700 X-Message-Number: 6 I prefer the layout of the all-white design, but overall, I would prefer the green design for the sole reason that it differentiates between the page background and the content background. Sites like the all-white can seem a bit strange on a big monitor set to a high resolution. I would prefer to see the all-white with the addition of a page background as on the other. But not as dark. HTH, /steven Steven Olson Alyption Media Group 104 S. Pine Street, Suite C Sandpoint, ID 83864 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 208.263.5886 208.304.9064 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: Inas Hamam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [wdvltalk] web design feedback Hi everyone, I am working on a redesign for the inside pages of our university web site...We have narrowed the choices down to two designs but now choosing one over the other is proving to be difficult so I figure it's time to call the experts in! Please look at the two pages (both have the exact same navigation structure and content) and let me know which (if any) you find more attractive, reader-friendly, etc. Ps...none of the links work... Thanks!! http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home1_future2.htm http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home3_future2.htm Thanks for all your help. Inas Hamam Office of Communications and Marketing The American University in Cairo tel 797.5529 fax 795.3565 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ____ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM ____ To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [email protected] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk ________________ http://www.wdvl.com _______________________ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: web design feedback From: "Pat Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:10:45 -0400 X-Message-Number: 7 I like the second one (blue). The white one was a little too sparse looking for me. Both are nice, though...=20 -----Original Message----- From: Inas Hamam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 2:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [wdvltalk] web design feedback Hi everyone, I am working on a redesign for the inside pages of our university web site...We have narrowed the choices down to two designs but now choosing one over the other is proving to be difficult so I figure it's time to call the experts in! Please look at the two pages (both have the exact same navigation structure and content) and let me know which (if any) you find more attractive, reader-friendly, etc. Ps...none of the links work... Thanks!! http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home1_future2.htm http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home3_future2.htm Thanks for all your help. Inas Hamam Office of Communications and Marketing The American University in Cairo tel 797.5529 fax 795.3565 [EMAIL PROTECTED] =20 ____ * The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM * ____ To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [email protected] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=3Dwdvltalk ________________ http://www.wdvl.com _______________________ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: web design feedback From: William Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:11:34 -0400 X-Message-Number: 8 White. On 6/21/05 2:50 AM, "Inas Hamam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi everyone, >=20 > I am working on a redesign for the inside pages of our university web > site...We have narrowed the choices down to two designs but now choosing > one over the other is proving to be difficult so I figure it's time to > call the experts in! Please look at the two pages (both have the exact > same navigation structure and content) and let me know which (if any) > you find more attractive, reader-friendly, etc. >=20 > Ps...none of the links work... >=20 > Thanks!! >=20 > http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home1_future2.htm >=20 > http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home3_future2.htm >=20 >=20 > Thanks for all your help. >=20 > Inas Hamam > Office of Communications and Marketing > The American University in Cairo > tel 797.5529 fax 795.3565 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ____ =95 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM =95 ____ > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.h= tml/ > Send Your Posts To: [email protected] > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface= : > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=3Dwdvltalk >=20 > ________________ http://www.wdvl.com _______________________ >=20 > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] m > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 >=20 > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: web design feedback From: "K.F. Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:48:16 -0700 X-Message-Number: 9 The white one. At 11:50 PM 6/20/2005, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I am working on a redesign for the inside pages of our university web >site...We have narrowed the choices down to two designs but now choosing >one over the other is proving to be difficult so I figure it's time to >call the experts in! Please look at the two pages (both have the exact >same navigation structure and content) and let me know which (if any) >you find more attractive, reader-friendly, etc. > >Ps...none of the links work... > >Thanks!! > >http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home1_future2.htm > >http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home3_future2.htm > > >Thanks for all your help. > >Inas Hamam >Office of Communications and Marketing >The American University in Cairo >tel 797.5529 fax 795.3565 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: web design feedback From: "Dominique Clawson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:18:30 -0600 X-Message-Number: 10 Hi Inas, They are both really nice. I like the blue one better, because there is a separation between the page and the background. I think, however, that the background color should be much lighter. Very nice job! Dominique -----Original Message----- From: Inas Hamam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 12:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [wdvltalk] web design feedback Hi everyone, I am working on a redesign for the inside pages of our university web site...We have narrowed the choices down to two designs but now choosing one over the other is proving to be difficult so I figure it's time to call the experts in! Please look at the two pages (both have the exact same navigation structure and content) and let me know which (if any) you find more attractive, reader-friendly, etc. Ps...none of the links work... Thanks!! http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home1_future2.htm http://develop.aucegypt.edu/inas/home3_future2.htm Thanks for all your help. 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Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wireless connection unavailable From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:01:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 11 For line-of-sight amplification, the cheapest and easiest of all is http://www.techtastic.ca/articles/homemade-antenna2.html It looks cheesy, but mine works just fine! Neil Rest -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Rabbi Tarfon used to say: "You are not required to complete the task, yet you are not free to withdraw from it." -- Pirkei Avos 2:21 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Database design first steps From: "Bj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:39:29 +0100 X-Message-Number: 12 If you store and keep any personal information such as you describe, beyond a simple list of email addresses with no associated personal information, you will need to stay on the right side of the Data Protection Act. You will need to register with them at a cost of £35 a year and comply with certain provisions of the Act, this applies even if you have specifically asked people's permission to keep the information. A useful fact sheet is at http://www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk/cms/DocumentUploads/Data%20Protection%20Act%20Fact%20V2.pdf As far as database design goes - remember the important thing is to eliminate duplication. There is not a one-to-one relationship between a person and their email address, as there can be more than one email for a given person and sometimes, more than one person using a given email. So this is a many-to-many relationship and for a fully normalised database you need an emails table, a people table and a lookup table to store the relationships eg Table 1: email (email key, email address) Table 2: email relationships (email key, user id) Table 3: Users (Userid, user name, user dob...) What you really need is 2 years of an ONC or HNC evening class where you can learn the true wonders of 4th normal form and talk about schemas and paradigms as though they mean something I am having the joys of education brought home to me at the moment by a 5 day MCSE course on ' Planning, Implementing and Maintaining Server 2003 Active Directory' which I have been sent on so I know how to change a user's password for them when they forget it. Tomorrow we start on Group Policies. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] Database design first steps >I have, at long last, returned to designing a new site; in the time > interval my knowledge has become shaky to say the least :-o > > I am doing my best to follow the advice of Julie C Meloni in a SAMS book. > The plan is to collect email addresses by a voluntary form, via PayPal > notification, through a Guest Book, review writing (the site is for a > book) > and possibly through a shopping cart (though this is a one product site). > I hope to get the visitor/purchaser's country and whether they have > bought, > visited, reviewed and/or filled in the guest book. > > Have you an opinion on whether all the addresses should be in one table; > and are there any special relationship tricks I ought to be aware of for > that. > > TIA > > Joseph > > Joseph Harris > www.smilepoetryweekly.com > > > ____ . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . ____ > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface > http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ > Send Your Posts To: [email protected] > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > ________________ http://www.wdvl.com _______________________ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Database design first steps From: "Joseph Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:00:18 +0100 X-Message-Number: 13 Bj, That's a gem; I had not thought of data protection, even though I have = had to deal with it in the past. I'll check. I had thought of organising = a birthday greetings activity, though I suspect I'm way too green to sort i= t out! I pride myself that I was half way to the relationship issues, and thank = you for the further normalisation points. Wish you luck with the course; I can only say I have needed the services= of people able to deal with my password failures so, to adapt the two Ronnie= s (before they were) with Cleese: I'm elementary class so I look up to him... Joseph Joseph Harris www.smilepoetryweekly.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Bj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Database design first steps > If you store and keep any personal information such as you describe, beyond > a simple list of email addresses with no associated personal informatio= n, > you will need to stay on the right side of the Data Protection Act. Yo= u > will need to register with them at a cost of =A335 a year and comply wi= th > certain provisions of the Act, this applies even if you have specifical= ly > asked people's permission to keep the information. A useful fact sheet= is > at > http://www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk/cms/DocumentUploads/Data%20Prot= ection%20Act%20Fact%20V2.pdf > > As far as database design goes - remember the important thing is to > eliminate duplication. There is not a one-to-one relationship between = a > person and their email address, as there can be more than one email for= a > given person and sometimes, more than one person using a given email. = So > this is a many-to-many relationship and for a fully normalised database you > need an emails table, a people table and a lookup table to store the > relationships > > eg > Table 1: email (email key, email address) > Table 2: email relationships (email key, user id) > Table 3: Users (Userid, user name, user dob...) > > What you really need is 2 years of an ONC or HNC evening class where yo= u can > learn the true wonders of 4th normal form and talk about schemas and > paradigms as though they mean something > > I am having the joys of education brought home to me at the moment by a= 5 > day MCSE course on ' Planning, Implementing and Maintaining Server 2003 > Active Directory' which I have been sent on so I know how to change a user's > password for them when they forget it. Tomorrow we start on Group Policies. > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Joseph Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:53 PM > Subject: [wdvltalk] Database design first steps > > > >I have, at long last, returned to designing a new site; in the time > > interval my knowledge has become shaky to say the least :-o > > > > I am doing my best to follow the advice of Julie C Meloni in a SAMS book. > > The plan is to collect email addresses by a voluntary form, via PayPa= l > > notification, through a Guest Book, review writing (the site is for = a > > book) > > and possibly through a shopping cart (though this is a one product site). > > I hope to get the visitor/purchaser's country and whether they have > > bought, > > visited, reviewed and/or filled in the guest book. > > > > Have you an opinion on whether all the addresses should be in one tab= le; > > and are there any special relationship tricks I ought to be aware of = for > > that. > > > > TIA > > > > Joseph > > > > Joseph Harris > > www.smilepoetryweekly.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Data Protection From: "Joseph Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:22:03 +0100 X-Message-Number: 14 I have looked a little further into the most interesting point made by Bj. In fact, because of the way I intend to use the information and that only my goods/services are involved I am exempt from registering, though not from complying with the Act. This is a UK Act though I am sure there are similar provisions in the US and other countries. It is worth studying these and noting the (rather strange) special provision for advertising, marketing and PR. It is clear that wherever a third party is involved - employee or agent - there must be registration. Joseph Harris www.smilepoetryweekly.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Data Protection From: Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:24:06 +0100 X-Message-Number: 15 On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 03:22:03 +0100 "Joseph Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have looked a little further into the most interesting point made by > Bj. In fact, because of the way I intend to use the information and > that only my goods/services are involved I am exempt from registering, > though not from complying with the Act. > > This is a UK Act though I am sure there are similar provisions in the > US and other countries. It is worth studying these and noting the > (rather strange) special provision for advertising, marketing and PR. > It is clear > that wherever a third party is involved - employee or agent - there > must be registration. It is also unlawful to "Delete" data under the act. Data must be held for a certain amount of time, so if a person asks to be deleted from your system, you should have the ability to deactivate their account, but not delete it. My personal way around this is a field at the end of the user table/address table that is called "IsCurrent" and use it as a binary field, i.e. 1 = active, 0 = unactive. HTH, Matt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wireless connection unavailable From: Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:31:13 +0100 X-Message-Number: 16 On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:01:55 -0500 (CDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > For line-of-sight amplification, the cheapest and easiest of all is > http://www.techtastic.ca/articles/homemade-antenna2.html > > It looks cheesy, but mine works just fine! 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