Cyberspace Publishing wrote:
That was probably bounced back to you from one of the WDVL
subscribers' mail server, as I received both from the list. I'm beginning
to see
more and more of this myself. At first, I thought it was my own domains
that were being blocked.
The last block message I received was from an aweber mail server. It
was pretty clear and indicated that the server being blocked was a
RoadRunner server. My ISP is wireless, and probably renting bandwidth
from RR
to resell.
Going into Eudora's mail settings for the accounts being blocked, I
changed them to use my own domains' mail servers (on two different hosting
companies) and tried again. They went through! So, it wasn't my
domains being blocked, but my ENTIRE ISP!!
If the people designing and using these draconian filters don't learn
to do a better job of filtering out just the offenders instead of blocking
the entire highway the offender used, this could get bad. Some ISP's
won't let users use their own mail servers calling the practice
'relaying' - a
tactic used by many spammers. Blocking 'legitimate' relaying, where
username/password authentication is used, is like throwing out the
baby with the bathwater.
Cheers,
Tom Fosson
<<::SNIP::>>
I can, unfortunately, :-( speak with some experience on this subject. Over
the last six months or so, I have for varying periods of time been unable to
receive messages from the wdvltalk listserver. Yup, that's this one. All of
my other mailing lists and regular mail were fine, but nothing from this
list. In fact, coincidentally, I just _today_ began to receive messages from
the list again. The last list message I had received prior was time-stamped
9-26-2005 @ 11:20 AM, about three weeks ago.
At the outset, Linda Cole (one of our list admins) replied offline to see if
we could work out the problem. Between her efforts, and my contacts with my
own ISP, we determined that for reasons unknown (then, and still, AFAIK),
the CBL spam-blocking servers were listing wdvltalk, along with a few other
Lyris-hosted listservers, as spam. As it happens, my ISP subscribes to the
CBL service and, so long as CBL had them listed, refused to accept and
forward mail from any of the sources they had blacklisted.
Linda and I communicated on several occasions to try to resolve the issue.
At first we did not know what exactly was going on. After I had established
two separate support tickets with my ISPs support, I finally got escalated
to a senior tech, who explained the situation and said that the problem was
basically out of their hands, and that the listserver admins would have to
resolve whatever was causing CBL to list them.
When I informed Linda, she investigated and confirmed that this was indeed
the problem, and worked with the list techs. On four or five occasions they
would get the listserver delisted from CBL and my mail would start coming
through again, only to be blocked again the following week, usually on a
Monday or Tuesday morning. Apparently CBL updates their list weekly. I see
it as no coincidence that this is Monday and I am suddenly receiving list
mail again. Regrettably, I have no assurance that my list mail may not stop
again at any moment.
You can't really blame the ISPs who subscribe to these spam-blocking
servers. They are attempting to protect their subscribers and their servers
from inundation by the flood of spam which would otherwise overwhelm them.
The fault, IMHO, lies with the spam-blocking services to which they
subscribe. When these services determine that a legitimate list, such as
this one, requires blocking as spam, they should respond to the listserver
personnel with clear and specific reasons _why_ they are being blocked
(perhaps an email relay inadvertently left open on their server, for
example) so that they can resolve the issue and get themselves delisted. It
should not take six months and multiple list-delist-list-delist events to
get the issue sorted.
I hope that, this time, it is finally sorted for good. It is only a hope,
however, and given the record of the last six months, these may be the last
messages I see from the list for another three weeks. Bummer...
Cheers,
Scott
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the
black flag, and begin slitting throats." - Henry Louis Mencken
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