> > It is quite probable. And if the CIA/FBI were not working to develop
> >as well as block this kind of technology, they would be derelict of duty.
> >As would we, if we were not trying to insure our own privacy. Someone
> >will develop these tools. It is best that our side develop them, for only
> >then will some of the government and corporate ostriches recognize that
> >they need to secure their systems against hostile agents funded by
> >terrorist organizations.
> Ah, Javilk. Our side, their side.. is it still a valid notion?
I think so. It is even worse, as in the olden days, there was a chain
of command, and particularly nasty things were discouraged. Shooting the
Pope was one thing, but we did get wind of the nuclear attack the USSR was
about to spring on China, and "dissuaded" them.
Without that chain of command and responsibility to a Very Large
source of funding, (the source, not the funds,) Been Loud, Sandman or The
Q would have no oversight to keep them from smuggling an A bomb into some
Western Friendly country and setting it off if they could get one. (Well,
maybe not The Q. We flattened his tent before; it seemed to make him
sadder and wiser.)
(What really gets me, is that if these guys plowed that much energy
and money into improving their nations and increasing personal freedoms,
they would have a heck of a lot more than they could possibly cart off by
invading their neighbors.)
> The cyberterrorist is more likely to be a homegrown "all American"
> disgruntled unemployable genius than a wild-eyed foreign fanatic.
I disagree. At least in the sense that if he is American, he will
likely be funded by foreign sources. Remember the bunch in what was that
book, the Coocoo's egg or something? They were Germans funded by the
Reds. As were a lot of terrorist types. Now, funding is harder to get, or
was till Been Loud. But he will be past tense soon.
There have been cases of large mob funded large scale cybertheft; but
the mob was stupid enough to kill the guys who gave them the golden keys,
from what I recall.
> Also, I'm afraid that the government and the corporate ostriches look at
> each other as "us" and "them".
Good. Gives them both some exercise.
> We are all more likely to fall victim to the loss of freedom and privacy
> of "couterterrorism" than to the terrorism itself.
That is true. We have already lost the right to carry large sums of
cash due to the drug problem. Use to be that at certain antiques shows,
like the one a friend use to run, a few well to do Europeans would fly in
carrying attache cases of cold hard US cash. No more! But the military
is turning around, telling us that we need strong domestic encryption to
prevent cyber terrorism. This, to the detriment of the FBI's position.
I know what you are thinking, Mata Hari. Well, contrary to legend,
she was really not a spy, just an excuse to get funding for some personal
fun. And that was her stage name, anyway. The real information comes
from informants who don't like what they are forced to do, or are
concerned and work out "little deals" about their future.
> "Nationalism is the measles of mankind" - Albert Einstein.
Got us to the moon! Funded the technological base that gave us all
this nice computer technology!
Back when IBM was absolutely Not Interested in integrated circuits,
the military paid for their development because it saved weight in the
military spy satellites. Between the space race and the military race, we
got one Huge pile of technological abilities! My Dad was a defense
worker. His company would get funding to develop some really hard
technology for the military, then use those abilities, the knowledge gained
from the research they did for the military, to make less exacting
products for the communications markets. And even some of the military
technology was set up for day-to-day use by the civilians, and emergency
use by the military.
Remember, the national highway system was a MILITARY project!
Military need was the only way they could convince congress, etc. to fund
it. Once they had the roads, car sales picked up, and ONLY THEN proved it
a worthwhile investment from the national infrastructure perspective.
Same for the internet! I mean, who would believe a computer terminal
in every home? Nevermind a real computer! I remember reading some papers
about the results of military experiments with teletype based
communications back in the early 70's. All the stuff about chat forums,
static information files, anonymous back channel communications, etc. All
that became the Usenet news, chat pages, anonymizers, and web pages. It
was all tried and explained by military funded studies long before anyone
else in the civilian realm tried anything on any kind of scale. (IBM was
probably the first to implement any of that, and it was an IBM competitive
treasure that I used in the early 80's.)
Nationalism as Measles? I don't think so. At least not unless it
becomes excessive, as it is when civilians are shafted in places like
Iraq, Iran, and formerly the USSR, Argentina, and a lot of tin pot
dictator nations. Just look at the Asian crisis; that is in large part
due to a dense retardation of the information/informed-action wave which,
just like the shore holding back the base of the physical water wave,
leads to over-piling at the middle, and eventual collapse. The Asians
over expected, over-invested in the wrong areas, and now comes the
collapse.
Oh, yes, we've flirted with the edges of that too at times. No one,
no nation is perfect. But over all, I think we did OK. Certainly one
heck of a lot better than the other side! Any of the other sides.
Remember history: The surest way to maintain peace is to prepare for
war; for when you let your guard down, war will surely come. And when war
comes to those formerly grand, it is usually brought by young fools who
know not the price of war. The cost of war is not so much of bodies or
GNP, but in the lives that never will be.
Eternal vigilance is the price of Freedom. A D**** Cheap Price!!!
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