On 16 Oct 98, at 10:40, Gill, Kathy wrote:

> > >SENATE APPROVES BILL INCREASING HIGH-TECH WORKER VISAS
> > >After blocking the legislation last week, the Senate approved a
> > measure
> > >nearly doubling the number of visas issued to high-tech workers over
> > the

Rainmaker[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:

> > I think they are trying to fill the gap caused by Y2K.  In three
> > years, a lot of these programmers will be back into retirement.


On 16 Oct 98, at 10:40, Gill, Kathy responded:

> Bull. These are the same people who have successfully lobbyed to 
get
> programmers exempt from time-and-a-half OT. 
> 
> And throwing more programmers is not the solution to deadlines. Anyone
> read _The Mythical ManMonth_ lately?

It is all bull.

I personally believe in "Give me your tired, your poor...".  I think 
we should allow anyone in the country who wants to come here.  Before 
you argue with that idea read this:

http://www.tipsmith.com/yourpoor.htm

in the old days we did not cuddle people as we do today.

And this leads right back to this so-called shortage.  Everything I 
convinced myself I know about the internet and programming etc. I 
learned from books and practice.  I have only recently begun to meet 
other people in my line of work.  Gee.... is their no shame.

This so-called shortage has been imagined by the existing structure.  
I don't even think that they are really trying to bring down any 
wages.  I think it is all just based on grand ignorance, weak wills, 
and no vision.

I have not at all been impressed by any tech workers at all.  And 
what kind of person would work in a Personnel department.

There was a recent article in "Info World" (I think) that talked 
about this 'lack" of IT workers.  The author also mentioned that the 
problem was with the people perceiving and not with the reality.

Peter









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