* Shannon -jj Behrens [2005-04-29 15:55]: > Is it just me or does the Python Web application framework world seem > about as obstinate a problem as the Palestinian mess? ;)
ack! no real world problems please. i might be the only one here who hasn't written my own framework, but as a sample customer, i'm coming to the conclusion that what's lacking most on any of the number of existing, good frameworks is just "spit & polish". In other words, good docs, good tutorials, sample applications (beyond 10-liners), and yes, as much as many coders seem to distain it, good-looking websites. If someone coming to web programming from X or Y language (X or Y not being python or ruby), and looks at the Rails site compared to almost any of the python frameworks, they'd very likely conclude it [Rails] is a more mature, widely used, and professional toolkit -- even though in many cases that's completely not true. There is probably more sample code (test apps, example sites) on the Rails site in teh past 6 months than a bunch of the python kits all combined over years. And for a lot of people, "you can go ahead and just plug in whatever you like for the backend or templates at this point" isn't enough instruction or guidance. I agree maintaining the flexibility is important, but even better is showing at least one common way of tying things together. And whenever possible, getting users of a framework to publicly admit it helps - witness the attention on python by Google, NASA, et. al admitting to their usage, as well as Rails' drawing attention with Basecamp and 43things (regardless of your opinions of those, they draw attention). Of course not all companies are willing to publicly admit to things... though jj did spill the beans on his company ;-) That should be on the Aquarium site! Of course these are broad sweeping statements but I think they're fairly accurate. Now how to get any of the projects more people and polish and docs... well I guess that's the rub. But in summary what's needed *is* "marketing" to expand awareness and usage of the good frameworks already existing in python. A common platform on Paste will only make things even better - but at this point the lack of Paste isn't the main hinderance. I hope this point of view is somewhat helpful and not just annoying(!) -- ______________________________ toddgrimason*todd-AT-slack.net _______________________________________________ Web-SIG mailing list Web-SIG@python.org Web SIG: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/web-sig/archive%40mail-archive.com
