I guess I failed to deliver the hidden irony of my comments, and hope
you don't actually think that I'd *really* throw one of my devs to the
ocean nailed on a coffin. Of course there are exceptions, and I would
be the first to raise my hand if someone asks if anyone had mixed
logic and presentation at one point in their coding.
My point is, (and I am trying to be as sincere as I can be), one
should try to think as if your code will be used and maintained by
others, from different aspects of the web development realm, I
personally work with very talented web developers/designers that I
know they'd appreciate it if I supply them with nice HTML code for
them to add their magic, of course if-statements, for-loops, and other
control structures sometimes *must* appear in your view.
You want to know something I really have a hard time digesting? - the
so-called Helpers in web2py, look at page 50 of the manual (most
likely I cannot copy/paste parts of it here), a form object is
instantiated along with several form elements, as I said before, very
easy for the python coder (that knows html) to include all in the
controller, and in the view, just render the container variable
{{=myform}}, now think about a large application, not a blog, not a
message board, but a large company Intranet containing complex blocks
many of them containing business logic that must be applied in
different sections of the same page, your web designers will really
have a hard time mocking that up don't you think?, even if they mock-
up all forms, etc, they would end up removed from there because we
want to *pythonize* them, in this case, a change in the PRESENTATION
ordered by the business will have to be turned over to the LOGIC
programmers, the UI guy cannot do much there can he?.
Please don't think that I am against it, not at all, in fact for
prototyping I think is incredible helpful, I am just a little
surprised that its use is so frequent in Massimo's book and many of
the "newbies" (in MVC, Web framework, etc) might think of that as a
"best practice" which IMHO it is not..
I am maybe 70% writing one of my former Zope apps in web2py
(incredible fast web framework and loving it), I am avoiding the HTML
and FORM helpers *like the plague*, all my forms are self-submitting
and I don't think I've written much more code than if I had created
the views within the controllers.
What I miss is the equivalent of "has_permission(permission_name,
view_or_controller)" and/or "user.has_role(custom_role)" methods in
Zope, can anyone point me to any examples that deal with
authentication AND permissions or roles (I need to allow users to
create accounts and log in into my blog, but only to respond to
posts), can this be done using CAS??
Take care all
-- speedbird
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