Well, two simple ideas to begin with:
a) extend the tuples with a third parameter which would be the domain
(also regex), use an exception to make it backwards compatible.
b) introduce a routes_domain = { 'mydomain.com' : (routes_in,
routes_out, routes_onerror) } style hash and use the global/current
routes_in and routes_out as catch-alls if no hash key matches
On Feb 28, 1:45 am, mdipierro <[email protected]> wrote:
> can you propose a syntax to do that is backward compatible?
>
> If we agree on that it should be easy to patch it.
>
> On Feb 27, 4:19 pm, AchipA <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Massimo, how would you feel about extending routes to take into
> > account domains as well ? Basically, with routes.py you can do away
> > with the application name only if you use one application, but it
> > would be nice to be able to use a single web2py install for multiple
> > apps.
>
> > On Feb 27, 10:29 pm, mdipierro <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Hi Jim,
>
> > > you raise many issues and I am not sure I am answering them all.
>
> > > about the path in URL you have four ways to change that:
> > > 1) call your app init
> > > 2) create an empty app init that redirects to your app
> > > 3) rename and edit routes.example.py as routes.py and remap URLs (like
> > > Django does)
> > > 4) use apache to remap the URLs.
>
> > > I do not understand this comment "I'm aware that
> > > there's going to be problems with counters if my site gets popular.
> > > Ideally I'd like to have something that handles that in web2py."
>
> > > I can see this (http://www.vorby.com/) is very slow. Is this built
> > > with web2py?
>
> > > Massimo
>
> > > On Feb 27, 2:56 pm, Jim <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Executive summary:
>
> > > > 1. web2py needs to focus on appealing to newbies As we get more
> > > > experienced, we hopefully can
> > > > make contributions to make web2py better and better. If
> > > > I'm in charge of maintaining a site
> > > > that's already written, it's unlikely that I'll want to
> > > > throw out PHP or Django or whatever and
> > > > start over from scratch. Or that my boss will let me.
>
> > > > 2. web2py really needs to work without the application name - /
> > > > default/index would be fine for now
> > > > with a goal of having / as "home".
> > > > www.mydomain.com/myapp/default/index
> > > > is huge and is
> > > > bad from an SEO standpoint
>
> > > > 3. the degree that code from Google can be re-used will have an
> > > > effect on how many people are willing
> > > > to use web2py instead of app-engine-patch or whatever Why
> > > > write your own code for sharding
> > > > counters when you can
> > > > usehttp://code.google.com/appengine/articles/sharding_counters.html
> > > > ?
>
> > > > More details
>
> > > > 1. Massimo has been able to abstract away a lot of the complexities
> > > > involved in working with GAE and really improve on the Django
> > > > framework.
>
> > > > It's painful to think about how much boiler-plate code you'd have to
> > > > write if you used Django instead. But I'm saying that as somebody
> > > > who's installed Eclipse/PyDev just far enough to get it to run
> > > > helloworld.py and has no familiarity with Python.
>
> > > > GAE/web2py is going to appeal to people who don't want to run a server
> > > > as opposed to people who want to be able to control everything. To
> > > > get into enterprises, it's going to take hobby programmers like me
> > > > saying good things about it.
>
> > > > 2. You probably understand SEO better than I do. But it seems clear
> > > > that letting spiders start from / is better than having them start
> > > > from /app/controller/function It's also a lot less to type. Using
> > > > 301s on URLs is painful and best to be avoided.
>
> > > > For personal projects that aren't supposed to be used by the general
> > > > public, who cares? But if you're trying to get a site used by lots
> > > > of people, shorter is better. You're not going to get word-of-mouth
> > > > if people can't remember the URL. And the longer it is, the more
> > > > chances to mess it up.
>
> > > > 3. To my wife I compared web2py to training wheels for GAE. That has
> > > > its good points and its bad points. For example, I'm aware that
> > > > there's going to be problems with counters if my site gets popular.
> > > > Ideally I'd like to have something that handles that in web2py. But
> > > > if not, then I want to plug in the code from Google itself or possibly
> > > > from Best Buy's giftag project and have it work.
>
> > > > The same is true of memcache - let's use it for disk.cache, ram.cache
> > > > and sessions. There's been a couple of contributions in this area and
> > > > it would be great to see them adopted as part of web2py.
>
> > > > And a third thing is using the expires header as mentioned
> > > > inhttp://groups.google.com/group/web2py/browse_thread/thread/9ee570b123...
> > > > Given how variable the response from GAE is, it'd be better to not
> > > > visit it at all again if you don't have to. So designing pages that
> > > > can be fetched from the browser's cache instead of visiting the site a
> > > > second time looks like a big win.
>
> > > > Should this be one project? Should there be a gae2py or py2gae or
> > > > whatever? Up to Massimo.
>
> > > > web2py is at least 95% there in terms of GAE. In reading the messages
> > > > about GAE, it's clear that some people decided that the only way to
> > > > close the gap is to not use web2py.
>
> > > > I hope that changes. It would be super cool if web2py/GAE became the
> > > > Wordpress of apps, used by everyone from bloggers to the New York
> > > > Times.
>
> > > > Still more details
>
> > > > 1. I'm interested in GAE because I want to outsource network
> > > > administration, system administration, etc. to Google. The free up to
> > > > 1GB and 5 million pageviews is attractive but there's lots of options
> > > > for shared hosting. It's nice to not worry about being slashdotted
> > > > but that's unlikely to happen. The huge thing is not dealing with
> > > > load balancing, security exploits, etc.
>
> > > > I have concerns about the variability of the user experience with
> > > > GAE. Try something like this:
>
> > > > i=1 ; while (( $i<1000)); do echo $i; time lynx
> > > > -dumphttp://www.vorby.com/> /dev/null ; (( i=$i+1 )); done
>
> > > > real 0m6.808s
> > > > real 0m4.358s
> > > > real 0m2.194s
> > > > real 0m2.136s
> > > > real 0m4.372s
>
> > > > If my only goal was a consistent, fast experience ... this would drive
> > > > me crazy.
>
> > > > I'm using vorby.com as an example because it's written by a programmer
> > > > who's able to get auto-complete working on GAE and seems reasonably
> > > > skilled. I have no connection with vorby.com and AFAIK it's not using
> > > > web2py. But it shows a little bit of the inconsistent responses that
> > > > you get with GAE.
>
> > > > You could try giftag.com instead. That's a Best Buy project which has
> > > > been featured by Google. Mostly times are under 1 second but I have
> > > > seen 5 seconds.
>
> > > > It seems like apps that aren't being used get swapped out to disk and
> > > > then get re-loaded when necessary. That means that I've seen it take
> > > > 20 seconds or more for the first page to load. I'm not sure why the
> > > > variance with loads of the same page.
>
> > > > I have concerns about Google deciding that they don't want to be in
> > > > the business any more, the way that they have with other projects.
> > > > Now that they're charging for GAE, though, I think it's highly
> > > > unlikely that they'll stop it.
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