On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Thadeus Burgess
<[email protected]>wrote:

> The goal of web2py if im not mistaken, is to provide an all-in-one
> environment for students to develop python web applications while adhearing
> to security and standards. So that there is no need for external
> debuggers/ide. If not, then what is the point of even including a file
> editor with web2py?
>

The point is convenience (you can easily make minor updates to a running
site; you can also run test code from a shell, in an interactive
environment, e.g. ipython).


>
> I would think that would be reason enough to add a varaible trace.
>

You would think - it does seem to make some sense... but since, with
stateless html, and only server side variables - and since most things of
interest are in the db, request, or response, there has not been shown any
practicle use for this... that's why I said, I think this is "noise" -
"seems" useful;  show a situation where this is an aid, and I will change my
tune.  "I think; seems nice; I _want_ it" is not an argument (it is just a
request).



>
> When your dealing with external data that you cannot control, I don't see
> how you could get away without having variable traces.
>
> Especially if you are dealing with random data, that might throw an
> exception every once in a while
>
> Sure, i could write a debugger that will write to a file to print the
> variables in question...
>
> Or use one of the many python ide's where the debuggers work maybe a quater
> of the time (if that), and they don't even know whats going on inside of
> web2py.
>
> - Thadeus
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Yarko Tymciurak <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> ve never been compelled for this (in compiled code, perhap
>
>
>
> >
>

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