I agree! On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Michael Wolfe < michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Even as I was writing my last reply, I was steadily coming up with > more reasons for sticking with Google Groups and not moving to Stack > Overflow. It seems I find my own previous arguments a bit > underwhelming. > > I'd still like to see something similar to SO written in web2py. I'd > like to get around to doing that myself, but if someone wants to try > to beat me to it I'll give you a BIG head start ;). > > My final thought on this subject is that I think it would be good if > more than just Massimo were to monitor the web2py tag on SO and answer > questions. As it stands now, everywhere you look on the web outside > of the Google Group, web2py questions are answered almost exclusively > by Massimo. To an outsider or newbie it gives the _impression_ that > web2py requires the desperate self promotion of its creator to > succeed. I've since learned that is certainly not the case, but only > after I joined this mailing list. Massimo deserves better support > outside the gated walls of this group. > > That is all. > > -Mike > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:59 AM, bally boy <ballybo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And yeah on second thoughts about what Michael said, while it can be > argued > > that sheer exclusivity, might stunt the growth of web2py(which even I > was > > thinking), I guess there are other ways to spread the word too... > > > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:24 AM, bally boy <ballybo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> I am with Massimo on one thing, not to scatter information all around.As > a > >> platform although both Stack Overflow and Stack exchange are great and > >> better than google mailing lists but it does invite a lot of uninvited > >> guests who actually know nothing. > >> For eg: - let us say someone puts up a post asking how to do this and > some > >> troll replies that it can never be done on web2py or no web2py is not > for > >> this etc, the signals that it sends to people who are newbies wont be > right, > >> and you might find yourself arguing most of the time rather than solving > >> issues which is what is currently happening on forums like reddit. > >> On the other hand one might argue that it would give a strong platform > for > >> the entire community to come forward and spread the word, which as of > now is > >> restricted to only the mailing lists. > >> Although I am not in favour of moving out from mailing lists , I would > be > >> wherever people like Massimo and other core contributors are around. > >> <If you really want something like stack overflow to be used, guys build > >> one... what the hell!.. you use web2py .. dont you!.. I read some post > >> wherein someone was actually working on something like it.. > > >> One more thing, let us leave the decision to Massimo, ultimately he is > the > >> one who is going to address most of the issues ...lol!.. let him decide > >> where he wants to be! > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Michael Wolfe > >> <michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I understand your concern, Massimo. However, I think the solution is > >>> not to ignore SO, but to try to get more knowledgeable web2py users > >>> answering questions there. You will still have general knowledge > >>> folks answering web2py questions, but the voting system should leave > >>> their answers at the bottom of the page, while the focused answers get > >>> voted up. > >>> > >>> The biggest problem I currently see with a web2py-centric Stack > >>> Exchange site is I don't think it has even a tiny chance of getting > >>> through the ridiculous "Area-51" approval process. I remember seeing > >>> some posts about somebody working on a web2py-based SO clone. That > >>> might be a better option. > >>> > >>> The other issue I have with a separate site just for web2py, whether > >>> it is Google Groups or web2py.stackexchange, is that some problems may > >>> not necessarily be web2py specific. Especially for people new to > >>> programming and/or python and/or web frameworks it may not be clear > >>> what their problem really relates to. > >>> > >>> You should know that as I'm writing this I'm having quite a lively > >>> debate in my own head. So I apologize if this post is disjointed or > >>> contradictory. I guess I can't convince myself strongly one way or > >>> another of what the best solution is. I'd hate to lose the community > >>> and focused knowledge of the Google Group, but I think the very > >>> exclusiveness of the group may be stunting the growth of web2py. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM, spiffytech <spiffyt...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > StackExchange is designed such that people who don't know what > they're > >>> > talking about get voted down, while those who have quality answers > get > >>> > voted up to the top. When I'm reading StackOverflow, the reading the > >>> > highest-voted questions first makes the poor quality of the lower- > >>> > voted questions very apparent to me, and I distrust them. > >>> > > >>> > Also, a web2py-centric StackExchange should only attract people who > >>> > know about web2py. This is unlike StackOverflow, which caters to a > >>> > general audience and thus gets many people with only general > knowledge > >>> > and general answers. > >>> > > >>> > The checks, balances, and filters seem sufficient to me. Do you > >>> > disagree? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Sep 17, 12:30 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: > >>> >> I oppose and here is why. A few people have asked web2py related > >>> >> questions on stack overflow. Almost all of them have at least one > >>> >> generic answer by somebody who knows nothing about web2py. On Stack > >>> >> overflow there is no sense of community (other than the stack > overflow > >>> >> community) and people try to answer even when they know nothing > about > >>> >> the topic. > >>> >> > >>> >> Massimo > >>> >> > >>> >> On Sep 17, 10:58 am, mwolfe02 <michael.joseph.wo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> > My vote: > >>> >> > - ask questions on StackOverflow using the existing web2py tag > >>> >> > - follow the questions using this RSS feed: > >>> >> > http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag/web2py > >>> >> > >>> >> > I like StackOverflow a lot and I think it is a much better > interface > >>> >> > than Google Groups. I asked my first few questions about web2py > on > >>> >> > SO > >>> >> > and was a bit reluctant to have to join Google Groups just to get > >>> >> > answers to my web2py questions. That said, the user community > here > >>> >> > is > >>> >> > second to none. I've been amazed how quickly my questions have > not > >>> >> > only been answered, but in many cases answered by _core > developers_! > >>> >> > >>> >> > The problem, as I see it, is that like it or not, StackOverflow is > >>> >> > quickly becoming a tool not only for getting technical questions > >>> >> > answered, but also to gauge the popularity of various programming > >>> >> > languages, web frameworks, etc. When I was trying to decide what > >>> >> > web > >>> >> > framework to use for my most recent project I looked at the most > >>> >> > popular questions for Django, ASP.NET, etc. as well as the number > of > >>> >> > questions, by tag name, for each of those frameworks. > >>> >> > >>> >> > The relatively low number of questions (compared to Django, for > >>> >> > example) and the apparent lack of knowledgeable users (web2py > >>> >> > questions are answered almost exclusively by Massimo) was nearly > >>> >> > enough to lead me away from web2py. It was not until I finally > >>> >> > relented to Massimo referring me to this Google Group that I was > >>> >> > truly > >>> >> > pleased with my decision to use web2py. > >>> >> > >>> >> > I think Google Groups remains the proper place to discuss the > >>> >> > direction of the web2py project. However, I think we should start > >>> >> > making an effort to ask and answer web2py technical questions on > SO. > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Sep 16, 10:40 am, cjrh <caleb.hatti...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> > > On Sep 16, 1:31 pm, Narendran <gunanar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> > > > What does the community > >>> >> > > > think of having a stackexchange page for web2py? > >>> >> > >>> >> > > Good idea. The StackOverflow model is the future of technical > Q&A > >>> >> > > forums. I joined and added some good and bad questions. We > >>> >> > > need > >>> >> > > 59 more users to join in support. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> > > > > >
