On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Massimo Di Pierro <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Massimo, > Yes perhaps we should close this thread. I do not see it going > anywhere. I do not agree with your conclusion... > I think we can all agree that: "We welcome people of any gender > identity or expression, race, ethnicity, size, nationality, sexual > orientation, ability level, religion, culture, subculture, and > political opinion" (from > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity) This is nice. > We can also agree that any comment that is intentionally offending or > discriminating other users and groups will not be tolerating. This > never happened and I am confident it will not. First of all you have started this thread with "IMPORTANT" subject and wrote that: "Some people have expressed their believes (political, religious, metaphysical) but occasionally when this conflicts with believes of another person, the other person may feel offended. It has happened." and clarified it did not happen in the body of the message, but "In those cases when religious or political statement was made, it was done in the form of a signature." Further, you suggested: "Perhaps having a policy that says we should make no political/ religious/philosophical statements is the simplest policy to implement." although majority of courageous users who openly reveled their mind in this thread (almost) univocally said that for them there is NO issue and suggested "live and let live" policy. Moreover, it was confirmed (in majority) that people are not bothered what someone puts in his signature until it's not against other beliefs, attacking other groups etc. and conclusion of majority users is that so far, there was nothing against such policy posted here, either in the content or in the signature. Your original statetment was, however, re-inforcing the point that there is an issue: "The problem with this issue is that..." and "I am just telling everybody there is an issue. Some people have been raising it privately. You may want to think twice about what you put in your emails. You may get more people to help you if you are neutral." suggesting that users should think about what is put in their email, iow. signature. So, according to my understanding, you, somehow, took the side of minority users who complained (most of them privately) although it's in clear opposition what the majority of users think here which means that those minority users were actually acting contrary to the, so far, unexpressed policy and they are the ones which should apologize! Moreover, at least, the feelings of one user were hurt in the process ("This thread has saddened me, however.") and Johann is old web2py user (Gmane here finds his first post at Sun, 14 Jun 2009), so, based on everything above, I cannot conclude how this thread "...I do not see it going anywhere."? Just the opposite...users expressed their view that the policy should be "live and let live" and that, so far, it was not broken by anybody either by posting 'forbidden' content in the body of the message nor in the form of someone's signature. Iow, your 'bug report' should be marked as 'invalid'. ;) I very much appreciate everything what you do for web2py project, but I must say that I have expected some more maturity in handling this whole issue which hurts some people. Hoping that you will take my post as constructive criticism and not more. Sincerely, Gour -- “In the material world, conceptions of good and bad are all mental speculations…” (Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu) http://atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810
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