Forwarding for Maciej and Hyatt.
Kevin McCullough
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From: Alexey Proskuryakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: August 13, 2007 12:10:32 PM PDT
To: Kevin McCullough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Dave Hyatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Maciej Stachowiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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Subject: Re: [webkit-changes] [24935] trunk
Hi Kevin,
You are right that HTML 5 only specifies the behavior of
createElement for
HTML documents (which is not directly related to HTML serialization
though).
However, the concept of "a Document created with an XHTML MIME type"
is
completely alien to this spec AFAIK, so our current behavior is in
rather
bad contradiction with it.
Also, Hixie's comments in bug 8007 and other ones seem to indicate
that
the intention is to make namespace-unaware methods behave
consistently in
XML and HTML documents as much as possible.
Looking at Zimbra's bugzilla, I believe that yes, their TOT works
with
Safari 3 (pre-r24935). I haven't tested this myself, though.
on 13.08.2007 22:59, Kevin McCullough at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Alexey, hopefully I am explaining this correctly. r24935 was
aimed
at changing crateElement wrt XML serialization (as opposed to HTML
serialization) which I don't believe is specified in the HTML5 spec,
and the change is purely to match compatibility with FireFox (the
differences I saw I turned into the layouttests). Are you sure
Zimbra
workes with TOT before r24935?
If I'm unclear on something please feel free to clarify
Kevin McCullough
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On Aug 11, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote:
So, Zimbra already has code that works with TOT WebKit, and doesn't
need
any workarounds. Do we have any other reasons to be non-conformant
with
HTML5? If not, I'd suggest reverting r24935.
on 09.08.2007 21:49, Kevin McCullough at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
For that decision I will forward you on to Hyatt and Maciej.
Kevin McCullough
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On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:53 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Thank you for the clarification!
Do you expect that this will make it to HTML5, or will WebKit be
non-conformant from the very beginning? HTML5 seems to have a nice
model
(old-style DOM functions always work in HTML namespace), and
doesn't
have a
notion of "a Document created with an XHTML MIME type" AFAICT. A
real life
site that breaks on an "isSafari" branch is not a very convincing
example.
on 09.08.2007 02:16, Kevin McCullough at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi Alexey,
Sorry I wasn't clearer. I reverted r24146 and added some code
so
now you will get an XHTML namespace when calling CreateElement if
you
are an HTMLDocument or a Document created with an XHTML MIME
type.
I will update the bugs below with this information. I think
14835
can
probably be closed, and the rest just need a comment. This does
fix
the given error in 11565 but we are still unable to log into
Zimbra
for another reason.
I think 8007 is where the conversation for this issue should take
place. I'll add a comment.
Kevin McCullough
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On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote:
on 08.08.2007 21:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
- <rdar://problem/4976879> REGRESSION: Safari doesn't work
with Zimbra
enhanced login.
- Reverting a previous change, and modifying how documents
are created
so that we better match other browsers behavior with respect to
namespaceURIs.
What is the new behavior, and is it documented anywhere? It's
not
even
quite obvious which previous change was reverted.
See bugs 8007, 14506, 10932, 14835 - I think some or all of them
may need
to be updated to describe the new behavior.
+ log("This test was written to address rdar://problem/4976879
.
And
tests how namespaceURI's are assigned.");
Would it be possible to have this bug reflected in Bugzilla, so
that the
rationale would be known? It's good to know the title of the
bug,
but maybe
there was some useful information in the report and in
subsequent
discussions?
In particular, I'm wondering if this is in fact a workaround for
some
broken Safari-specific code in Zimbra (see bug 11565, which is
probably
different, but may be tangentially related).
- WBR, Alexey Proskuryakov.
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