Isn't the issue with SSD that it has a finite limit in the number of writes? 
I'd hate to hit that limit. But I'm not really informed on the topic - maybe it 
doesn't really reach it that limit any sooner than a drive platter reaches it's 
useful limits?

Tim Worman
UCLA GSE&IS


On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:

> Hi Henrique,
> 
> 500GB is fine for thgis application, however.....
> 
> I don't have a problem trusting an SSD on my own computer, but I am not sure 
> if the longevity/endurance/reliability is proven for enterprise 24/7 
> reliability on a critical database server, is it?
> 
> In any case, I still need a decent eSATA PCI card for the XServe - anyone 
> ever buy one with good results?
> 
> -Kieran
> 
> On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Henrique Gomes wrote:
> 
>> If you really need 1Tb now and only spend <$1000 then don't read the rest :-)
>> 
>> If you can live with 500GB and can spend a little more, think about a 500GB 
>> SSD drive and forget the RAID part, one SSD drive is faster than two 
>> mechanical drives  (no seek time) and I see no point in mirroring them as 
>> the main causes for it are gone with flash; no bad sectors, no head crash 
>> etc... And you are going to backup regularly even if mirroring right?
>> 
>> A search for '500gb ssd' gives OCZ drives for ~ $1500. You can then either 
>> get an e-sata or firewire enclosure. Or move the internal drive to an 
>> external enclosure and put the SSD inside if that's were the majority of 
>> disk traffic is going to be.
>> 
>> The reason I bring this up is that I just replaced the drive on my macbook 
>> pro with an Intel SSD and altough  it's a smaller one (80GB)  I'm still 
>> amazed with the performance. My dashboard took >30secs to fully initliaze, 
>> now it's more like 2 seconds. Eclipse, openoffice and other really slow 
>> starters appear in 3 or 4 seconds. Did I say it's fast?
>> 
>> Henrique
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the warning! Thanks to everyone for responses so far.....
>>> 
>>> OK, so regular 4-drive RAID 1+0 is what it will be, either the OWC or one 
>>> of the ones recommended below.
>>> 
>>> Next up ....... eSATA PCI cards for Dual G5 XServe - anyone have any good 
>>> recommendations? Here is one I found:
>>> http://www.datoptic.com/cgi-bin/web.cgi?product=eSATA_pcix&detail=yes
>>> 
>>> -Regards, Kieran
>>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2009, at 12:47 PM, ACN wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Run, don't walk, away from the Drobo.  While the later Firewire based 
>>>> models may have improved, our interaction with the first gen models went 
>>>> like this... Plug unit in.  Trust your data to it.  Have no data.  Let me 
>>>> put it another way.  Drobo came to us for a little dog and pony show.  
>>>> They left us our NFR and before the rep made it to the elevator, we broke 
>>>> it so bad he took it back.  This is a true story.  On of my hardware guys 
>>>> killed the unit in less than 5 minutes while doing the supposedly 
>>>> supported drive swap.
>>>> 
>>>> The OWC device looks nice if you need rack mount storage (I've had no 
>>>> experience with it).  If you are set on a 4 drive unit, we recommend for 
>>>> our customers either: ArticRoc 
>>>> (http://www.rocstor.com/Products/arcticroc-4t.html), the RTX-400 
>>>> (http://www.wiebetech.com/products/RTX400QR.php), or the HDElement 
>>>> (http://www.caldigit.com/HDElement/).  The CalDigit stuff we usually use 
>>>> for video customers so you are likely not looking for that type of 
>>>> transactional storage.  The others have proven to be flexible and reliable.
>>>> 
>>>> Stay away from the Lacie stuff.  Again, many bad experiences (although 
>>>> they now have a tempting rack mount unit for FC but the price is likely 
>>>> too high for your needs).  The MyBook drives are also not high on my 
>>>> recommend list.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>> 
>>>> R-
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 14, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Looking for suggestions for an economical (< $1000) "poor man's" RAID 1+0 
>>>>> 4-drive storage solution for a dual 2.0 G5 Xserve that must be used as a 
>>>>> dedicated database server. It is a cluster node model with just one 
>>>>> hard-drive bay.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It has Firewire 800 ports and 2 PCI-X slots. One PCI slot has a video 
>>>>> card, one is empty.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was thinking possibly of a esata PCIX card with a OWC 4-drive hardware 
>>>>> RAID rack unit:
>>>>> http://www.datoptic.com/cgi-bin/web.cgi?product=eSATA_pcix&detail=yes  - 
>>>>> $99
>>>>> http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/hard-drives/RAID/Rack_Mount/FireWire_eSATA_USB2_RAID
>>>>>    -   $850 (includes 4 x 500GB enterprise hard drives)
>>>>> 
>>>>> There will be 2 slaves continuously replicating for additional data 
>>>>> protection.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any thoughts or other suggestions?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards, Kieran
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