Hello,

A couple of 3rd party books I would recommend:

Practical WebObjects by Charles Hill and Sacha Mallais (APRESS)
WebObjects web application construction kit by George Ruzek (SAMS)
WebObjects Developers Guide by Ravi Mendis (SAMS)

To start come up with a simple idea like an address book and see where to go 
from there.

Or take a simple "static" site and convert it to a "dynamic site" just to 
understand page
navigation at first.
Then think of a way to build dynamic content drawn from a database.

For example recently I wanted to create a dynamically css driven site similar 
to csszengarden.com
I needed to build some components to help me with css. I stayed in that domain 
and tried to not to
get side tracked.

I also recently took a static web site that my boss created and turned into a 
WO application.

I created my first real db driven app in wo several years ago was a kind of 
content manager/wiki.

Jerry

--- John Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
>       I have just recently become aware for the first time of the existence 
> of WebObjects, and I am intrigued.  However, I am at the same time very 
> overwhelmed by the introductory documentation I have been reading so 
> far.  I'm hoping to get some advice as to whether it's truly a good idea 
> for me to get involved with WebObjects at all, and if so, what is the 
> right path for my interests.
>       First, my professional background is primarily as a "Business Analyst" 
> / "Systems Architect" at a large corporation that uses a wide range of 
> computing technologies from mainframe COBOL applications to unix java 
> web applications.  No Macs, though.  :(  I have a strong data modeling 
> background and an intermediate object modeling background.  Many many 
> models I have created over the years have been either scrapped or only 
> used for communicating requirements in the early stage of a project, but 
> a good number have evolved into live applications.  I'm usually 
> intimately involved with the design phase in these cases, but do not 
> perform coding myself.  I often participate in code reviews, though,  as 
> well as various levels of test validation.  I'm explaining all this not 
> because I plan to use WebObjects professionally, but because I want to 
> give an idea of the limited foundation that I have.
>       The thing that has "grabbed me" in the little bit that I've read so far 
> about WebObjects is the use of object oriented modeling.  I'm hoping to 
> find a path to creating a simple object model and transform it into a 
> running application.  The 'hello world' version of such an approach 
> would be great for a start, I think.
>       Following that, I have a "hobby project" in mind that - until just 
> recently learning about WebObjects - I was previously looking into 
> taking on slowly with PHP/MySQL.  In brief, the project entails managing 
> lists of songs performed by a musical group over several years.  I've 
> created a good ERD already, but nothing further.  These lists exist 
> currently in static html pages that a friend of mine has created and 
> maintained.  What I'm ultimately interested in doing is storing the 
> relevant information in a database and providing web-based query 
> capability to interested persons for questions like, "how often has the 
> band played at X venue?" or "When was the first/last time song XYZ was 
> performed?".  There is no urgency to getting this project underway, and 
> I can be in complete control of the level of complexity that is undertaken.
>       So, to finally get to my request for advice:
> 
> 1) What would be my best sequence for reading the WO docs?  I've already 
> read "Getting Started," and have made starts into "Web Applications 
> Overview," "WO Web Applications Programming Guide," "WO EOModelers User 
> Guide," and "WO Enterprise Objects Programmers Guide".  As I said at the 
> beginning of this message, I'm getting overwhelmed.  Each of these 
> documents suggests several others that should be read early on....
> 
> 2)  Does WO seem appropriate for my "hobby project," or would I be 
> biting off more than a professional programmer could comfortably chew?
> 
>       Thanks in advance for any recommendations.
> 
> Sincerely,
> John
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Universal Measurement Solutions, Ltd.
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Calgary, Alberta
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