When Eclipse released the the 3M2 version for intel Macs the startup
performance improved about 1000%. I'm not sure about anyone else I can't
even think original thoughts in the 2-3 seconds launch time difference
between xcode and Eclipse. I wish that were the bottleneck of my day.

Dov Rosenberg


On 8/14/06 2:19 PM, "Mike Schrag" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I actually just did this timing comparison at WWDC -- on a MBP, Xcode
> takes about 1-2 seconds to open a single project and be up-and-
> running and Eclipse takes about 4-5 seconds to be up-and-running with
> a SINGLE project in it (these are both "second start" times).  The
> typical usage of Eclipse is kind of different than Xcode, though, so
> in Eclipse it's common to have a LOT of projects open (and thus
> startup time suffers as a result) -- for instance, in my workspace,
> it's not uncommon that I can have upwards of 50 projects open (wolips
> + wonder + some eclipse plugins + real work stuff + random other
> stuff).  First start time, Eclipse does take a larger hit (but so
> does Xcode), and there is likely NO way Eclipse will ever be as fast
> or start as fast as Xcode unless you do something wacky like native
> compile the jar files.
> 
> However, that said, I hear TextEdit opens REALLY fast on files --
> Even faster than Xcode! ;)
> 
> ms
> 
> On Aug 14, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Alan Ward wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I wouldn't describe myself as a "hard core XCode fan"... I simply
>> won't switch to any java IDE that
>> makes me wait 3 minutes at startup before letting me do what I
>> started it to do :-)
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh yes. The number of hard core XCode fans will certainly stay the
>>> same.
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Anjo
>>> 
>>> Am 14.08.2006 um 19:28 schrieb Ken Anderson:
>>> 
>>>> I bet not for long!! :)
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 14, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Alan Ward wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> P.S. One final thought.  Given that Apple is deprecating the
>>>>>> tools, anyone want to guess how many WO developers at Apple use
>>>>>> Xcode for WebObjects?  ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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