The value of open source in WO's case has nothing to do with the
quality of the offering and everything to do with acceptance in the
places where we all do our livings. The blaze of interest in Ruby on
Rails and the lesser interest in the profusion of non-mainstream j2ee
frameworks tells me that the market is seeking something better than
the standard j2ee and .Net offerings.
What Cocoa's success can tell us is that even when we've given up on a
technology for lost it is still possible for it to come back. People
know that Cocoa will have a life because it runs on all these Macs,
iPods, and iPhones and it is important to Apple's success. People
don't know that about WebObjects. It is not likely but is possible at
least that if WO were open-sourced that it would revive in the larger
market. As a very minor Apple product the likelihood is close to zero.
Jim
On Sep 30, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
Hi!
Cocoa is not open source, and it rocks mac desktop. Why does WO
need to be? WO just needs Apple to... well... fix its bugs, build
new features, and... advertise it.
My version of the dream: WWDC 200*, Keynote speech, about 20
minutes long after all the blablabla about how many millions of
iPods were sold, "About that iPhone SDK... well, we have something
called WebObjects a long time ago (big, huge applause from 10% of
the room)"...
Yours
Miguel Arroz
On 2007/09/30, at 14:27, Stephane Guyot wrote:
Hi list,
last night as FTO ( Fantomatic Technical Officer) , I directly
report to Steve.
I just dispose of only 2 minutes to convince Steve that opensource
WebObjects may have a big Hallo Effect for Apple.
The WO team agree with me and all WO developpers too, the challenge
is big for the Community.
I take the lift, door of the office is open, today's rumor says
that Steve is in good mood, go.
Fantomic : Hi Steve
Steve : Hi Fantomic
Fantomic : Well, the web is a mess , Apple can still come back in
the war on the server side. J2EE is a nightmare, bad design, too
much of JSR, most of J2EE projects fails.
WebObjects, is simple , very light , very efficient, Steve ,
WebObjects is a bomb. Today the only drawback with WO is that, it's
not opensource.
I think we need to decide under what kind of License we can
opensource WO. We need to avoid the cacophonic coding of most
opensource project,
we just need to keep the hand of the design and future of the
technology. Anycase, today the big challenge is no more on the
server side, RIA are future of the net.
Steve : Fantomatic, you speaks about war and bomb, what did you
have in mind, Iraqi ?
Look at WebKit. Adobe is using WebKit for AIR, they are simply
laughing at us.
(I'm a little bit disappointed, I think Adobe is a big player on
the RIA, perhaps buying Adobe would be the best thing we can do ,
but I can't say that to Steve.
Fucking words, as a frenchy guy, I just wants to avoid the Iraqi
war subject, I remember the ONU speech of the french prime
minister, but in the same time I'm feeling better,
Frenchy are not always saying stupid things )
Fantomatic : We needs to "Think Different", WO was simply ten years
ahead ot his time.
(Steve's iPhone beeps. 2 minutes it's very short.)
Steve : I will decide soon.
Fantomatic : Great, do the right choice.
I just came out, I saw the next iPhone on the desk, but it's under
NDA :-)
Sincerly yours,
Fantomic
PS :
Suggested reading : http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=193593
Suggested hearing : "The Third Bardo" , I'm Five Years Ahead of My
Time
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=261634131&s=143442&i=261634163
Probably my last request, my last post on the list :-)
Good luck to everybody,
Stephane
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