Late? You're about one year late :-P But you're not too late for the survey I will create in November as a follow-up of the one from last year, so I will add your questions into the 2008 survey.
> Pascal, if it's not too late, I'd propose a few more: > > - Do you consider WO primarily as an application server, or as a > development framework? > - Do you find resistance to WebObjects framed as an implementation > issue, a resource issue, or both? > > I add these because my perception is we're collectively making life > even more difficult on ourselves by embracing the two deployment > options: really bad servlet out of the box, or Monitor and wotaskd, > which really undermines what I would consider the primary strength of > > WebObjects - that as a development framework. If Apple didn't have to > > put resources into supporting WO as an app server, perhaps we'd get > more out of the framework, and seriously, there's very strong > arguments from a management perspective (both IT and business) against > > even deploying WebObjects right now, for larger organizations anyway, > > and in the case when you have a growing business that absolutely needs > > to consider things like "how easy is it for us to find people that can > > develop using this and support the deployment against the much larger > > pool of talent using much more established technologies" type > questions. Besides higher ed, not for profits, and single one off > apps, WO has a market share on par with Apples market share for > personal computers circa 1996, if it's even that good. We can kick and > > scream all we want about pointy haired managers, etc, but it doesn't > > change reality. Besides, it's not just the managers, it's pretty much > > every other interaction point in the rest of the world; developers, IT > > people. They feel the same way about using, managing wo as most of us > > would if we had to use struts and hibernate, except the numbers are in > > their favor. Anyway, I'd be interested to hear other peoples > perceptions along these lines. This isn't meant to start some silly > argument about how bad tomcat is, or how great Monitor is; in reality, > > neither is relevant. > > > > On Oct 4, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > > > Ok people, enough is enough... We already have a hard time building > > > a real community, if we fight each other, it's getting worse. > > > > I'm going to create a survey on SurveyMonkey to collect information > > > about the point of view on Apple from the community. > > > > The questions that will asked : > > > > - Are you a ADC Select or Premium member ? > > > > - Do you go to WWDC each year ? > > > > - Does the lack of a public roadmap is making you loose customers ? > > > > - Does the fact that WebObjects is not open source is making you > > loose customers ? > > > > - Are you buying Apple hardware because of WO ? > > > > - If WebObjects become open source, will you contribute to the > > source ? > > > > - If you stop using WO, does Apple will loose hardware sales ? > > > > - Open comments > > > > If you think other questions should be added, please send them to me > > > OFF-LIST. > > > >> You read every single post on this mailing list? > >> You never skip any threads? > >> So rather than playing topic cop, why don't you just avoid reading > > >> these messages if you find them irrelevant? > >> Or is it that you don't like collective action? > >> > >> JPM > >> > >> Le 4 oct. 07 à 04:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a > >> écrit : > >> > >>> Read Apple's Lips: Not Going To Happen. Period. If that means > we > >>> have to lose you to .NET, then get going and stop posting. > >>> > >>> This topic has been discussed to death. There are some good > reasons > >>> why it isn't going to happen and your posting the 10,000th post > >>> about > >>> it isn't going to change that. > >>> > >>> Please, everyone, let's get back to WebObjects ==>DEV<== topics. > >>> > >>> Alex > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > > Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > > > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/wh72%40cornell.edu > > > > This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca > > This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pascal Robert http://www.macti.ca http://www.linkedin.com/in/macti Skype: MacTICanada AIM/iChat : MacTICanada _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
