Welcome Bob,

FWIW, I had education/experience in C, Fortran77 and some other languages and zero Java knowledge when I learned by myself circa 2003 (I had no training funds unfortunately), *however*, IIRC, the things that made it easier to learn were: 1) Watching/studying the WebObjects WWDC videos from 2002, 2003 (multiple times) - invaluable - the same principles still apply for the most part. 2) The incredible guidance by the members of the WO mailing lists - it felt like I worked at a developer haus with lots of experienced colleagues ready to help. What a great community. 3) Studying the books. Visual Quick Pro guide has some obvious bad practices, but it is worthwhile for a beginner IIRC. Practical WebObjects is well worth studying to understand what is going on. Apple's EnterpriseObjects book (online) is essential. I found studying Design Patterns helped me better understand how the WebObjects frameworks worked and how I could extend them. 4) Browse and analyze the Project WOnder source - a lot about WO can be learned just by looking at ERExtensions and the many utility classes. 5) Examining example projects - understanding how they worked - use logger and debugger to understand operation


If nothing else, install WOnder and start with a WOnder application. You can ignore it is there, but it is essential for productivity, reliability and not reinventing the wheel.

If you are impatient and want to do minimum learning effort, do these 2 things first: 1) Study Secret Life of Components chapter (6 I think?) in Practical WebObjects
        2) Study Apple's Enterprise Objects book.... available as a PDF online.

And today there is the wiki.objectstyle.org and also the video podcasts, so newbies to WO are a little bit spoiled today I think ;-)

Regards, Kieran

On Nov 20, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:

I'd say it takes too long if you need to learn for yourself. One should either get training or work in a shop where it's used.
I 100% agree with this. WO is a little bit mind-bending, in a cool way, if you're coming from most other frameworks. It's very useful to have someone who knows what they're doing to provide some guidance and explanation of the crazy bits. Of course, Anjo and I both do WO training, so maybe we're a little biased ;)

ms

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