On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:08 AM, Will Scheidegger wrote:
We've been working with WO since the days of "Rhapsody" so I guess
that pretty much makes me one of the "old guys" although Chuck,
Guido... are way more experienced than me. Still, the course of the
recent wo history has made us give it up.
Chuck probably has 10 buddies at Apple he can call and chat with. We
mere mortals don't. So when I propose a WO solution to a customer
and he asks me why he should invest money in WO when it is not open
source and less and less supported/pushed/pre-installed (pick
whatever you like best)
then all I can say is
"Because with WO the project will be done faster with more features
than if we use something else."
In all the debates of open-vs-closed source, free-vs-paid, java-vs-
ruby, etc, the thing that always seems to get lost is also the most
important thing: what gets the job done better, for less money? A
business makes money off doing their business - and unless you are a
consulting company, that business is NOT writing and maintaining code.
If a technology helps them do that faster, more efficiently and for
less cost, then it should be seriously considered.
"Because it's open source" doesn't help anyone profit. It's a buzz
word that sounds good but doesn't mean anything to the bottom line. It
may coincide with the best solution, but it doesn't define it.
Although we loved the WO technology, we now moved everything except
one of our solutions to the open source world.
I am curious to know which technologies you moved to and how you feel
they compare to WebObjects. What was the tangible value that your
company gained by moving to the new technology(ies)? Are you now more
profitable with fewer developers than you were with WO?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think WO is the best solution for
everything, and it is certainly harder to find WebObjects developers
with experience than a J2EE or Rails dev. I just have yet to hear
someone make a compelling argument for moving away from WO based on
reduced cost, increased developer productivity, increased
profitability, etc.
Dave
-will
On 14.09.2009, at 05:04, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 13. Sep. 2009, at 14:12 , Gustavo Pizano wrote:
Make God hears you.. I know Im new to WO and all, but I have
become more fond to it than any other web technology, i.e J2EE,
and it will hurt me a lot, if something like "Disappearing" will
happen, and I think im not the only one feeling this.
So, when you're new why not just listen to the old guys? Makes life
so much easier.
Guido
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