Sorry Stephane, I don't agree with you.
I know you're fallen in love with Flex ;-) but you can't oppose the
client and the server. Both are important. Personally I'm considering
Wonder and WO as a whole (sorry for the other frameworks included
ours). And you can see how quick are the evolutions with more and more
functions or integration of other frameworks.
The same on the client side. Adobe rolled out interesting stuffs at
the Max event. But seriously, when you say "did you have serious JS
debugger, JS profiler?", if we could have stable and efficient Flex
Builder in Eclipse (compare to java), it would be appreciate and
productive.
And when you see what you can do with Gianduia, It's amazing. I would
like to have time to play with it but I can't so far.
all the bests,
Philippe
On 10 oct. 09, at 08:37, Stephane Guyot wrote:
Hi Stephane,
the trouble with Flash is that's a proprietary format :
http://codemoiunmouton.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/le-top-10-des-critiques-sur-flash/
Yes, you needs a Plugins, if you decide to stay in the browser, or
a runtime if you wants develop Desktop Apps for Windows, Mac and
Linux : http://timesreader.nytimes.com/timesreader/index.html
Flex is opensource, LCDS is expensive and not opensource, but you
have BlazeDS an opensource subset, AMF specification are public ...
There's other alternatives :
http://codemoiunmouton.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/flex-ou-silverlight/
Athena : http://www.baao.com/Video/Athena
Goods news, you can develop with your Mac and Eclipse ....
HTH,
Stephane
PS : to wait until other alternatives emerge having fun time :
http://codemoiunmouton.wordpress.com/2009/07/03/realite-augmentee-et-flash/
Le 10 oct. 09 à 07:30, Stephane Guyot a écrit :
Interesting thread ....
today I don't believe the challenge is on the server anymore.
Speaking for myself , less time I spent on the server, better I am.
Actually I've choose Flex, I don't wants spent more time with
Javascript, did you have serious JS Debugger, did you have serious
JS Profiler ?
Flex is server side agnostic, puts whatever you want on the
server : Python, Rails, Php, Java ....
It would be nice to be able to use WO on the server but only Apple
will decide ....
It would be nice to be able to use Flex/Flash on iPhone but .....
How to build Rich Application without writing any line of code on
the server ?
The world is moving :
http://coenraets.org/blog/2009/10/my-max-session-video-posted-model-driven-development-with-flex-4-and-lcds3/
Stephane
PS : Perhaps Apple should buy Adobe .... :-)
Le 10 oct. 09 à 02:22, Lachlan Deck a écrit :
On 10/10/2009, at 10:28 AM, Ravi Mendis wrote:
On Friday, October 09, 2009, at 07:11PM, Joe Little <[email protected]
> wrote:
LiftWeb is painful to the eyes. Scala is great, LiftWeb just won't
gain traction with my brain.
I couldn't agree more:
I love Scala, but it's a shame about Lift...
If you're looking for alternatives or just something new, try
Scala with WebObjects instead.
This should get you started:
http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/WebObjects+with+Scala
IMHO Scala is to Java what Objective-C was to C.
My first impressions of Scala is akin to what i felt about
Objective-C when i first discovered it 15 yrs ago...
interesting...
For most developers i suspect that a sore-point of using
WebObjects nowadays is...Java.
So maybe you need to look at Java-alternatives not WO-
alternatives :)
Yeah, Java is certainly one point of consideration for its lack of
dynamism. Certainly utilising Groovy or Scala could help here.
But honestly I believe the major sore point (if there be one
amongst the surveys) is the waiting for news about 5.5 and/or
5.6's arrival (which is all probably under NDA for you guys who
were at WOWODC) ... and for that matter Giandiua ;).
with regards,
--
Lachlan Deck
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