On 2009-11-24, at 3:39 PM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
> On 25/11/2009, at 8:20 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote: > >> This is funny; however, from our experience, Apple does actually listen to >> us, and showing them an "i don't care" attitude will most likely result in >> us being stuck with 5.4.3 & Wonder, and Apple keeping WebObjects to >> themselves, > > This makes no sense to me. If they[1] *did* listen[2] then they'd have > released WO 5.4.3.1 and 5.5 by now because that's what people have been > asking about for quite some time. In fact, they tested the waters with quasi > nightly builds ... but internal politics has seen the end of that. Maybe they don't want to throw the new versions in front of a whole bunch of "angry lions". We all know about "internal politics", but realize that these are driven by people just you and me. IMHO, it is not always about the money, but also about people's emotions. If Apple's staff does like our tone, then why would they release new versions? > >> and we'll never be synchronized with the latest and greatest Apple versions >> again, because we think we can all do it on our own. Very smart. > > The community has arisen in response to Apple pulling back (e.g., Entity > Modeler was written because of Apple's decision to pull the tools). You've > got it backwards I'm afraid. Not really, IMHO, Apple is now recognizing the great contributions from the community, which might be better than their own. Eclipse/EM seemed an obvious progression; so why stand in the way? > >> With Kind Regards, >> >> Dennis Gaastra, > > > [1] by 'they' we mean Apple Computer Inc. > [2] I know the WO devs at Apple themselves listen as I've had private > conversations with a few of them and have had very good responses. They > simply can't overcome internal politics. > >> On 2009-11-24, at 12:04 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: >> >>> Jesus. Apple will do what they want. Nothing you, I or anybody else says or >>> does will make much of a difference. Nor should we really care, it's not >>> like they did something useful in the last 5 years or so. >>> >>> You sound like they were some sort of rain god. "Let's show we are loyal, >>> or else HE might smite us like the flies we are!" >>> >>> Cheers, Anjo >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 24.11.2009 um 20:36 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists: >>> >>>> If we want Apple to release new WebObjects versions, beyond 5.4.3, to the >>>> community, the worst thing we can do is talking about Windows and Linux. >>>> We should be very clear about this: if we expect Apple to do anything for >>>> us in the regard, we should be loyal to Apple by only developing and >>>> deploying on Apple equipment. Otherwise, I am afraid that 5.4.3 will be >>>> the last version we will ever see... >>>> >>>> With Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Dennis Gaastra, >>>> Chief Technology Officer, >>>> WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc. >>>> >>>> >>>> This message contains confidential information and is intended only for >>>> the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not >>>> disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender >>>> immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and >>>> delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be >>>> guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, >>>> corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. >>>> The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions >>>> in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail >>>> transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy >>>> version. WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc., 726 - 1489 Marine Drive, West Vancouver, >>>> BC, CANADA V7T 1B8, www.webappz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2009-11-24, at 10:19 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: >>>> >>>>> 1) The customer sometimes is willing to compromise and give you a Linux >>>>> box ... deployment on Linux is as easy as Mac more-or-less. So, if they >>>>> won't let you use Mac, ask if you can use Linux.... and setup CentOS or >>>>> RHEL on it. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Project Wonder has source for Adaptors. I see IIS adaptor source in >>>>> there. No idea how good it is: >>>>> >>>>> /Wonder/Utilities/Adaptors/IIS/ >>>>> >>>>> HTH, Kieran >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Ralph Scheuer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello everybody, >>>>>> >>>>>> due to the fact that some of our customers use Windows servers, I would >>>>>> be interested how others deploy their WO apps on Windows these days... >>>>>> >>>>>> The wiki only refers to Apache when it comes to WO 5.4 on Windows and >>>>>> does not mention IIS... >>>>>> >>>>>> However, some customers need specific IIS features like Single-Sign-On >>>>>> via ActiveDirectory or do not want another web server for political >>>>>> reasons. >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you deal with that? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it still possible to use the old 5.2 adaptors (CGI or ISAPI) with >>>>>> modern IIS versions and WO 5.4? How about 64-bit-ness? >>>>>> >>>>>> Would it be possible to set up WO 5.2 and just replace all the >>>>>> frameworks with the 5.4 equivalents so that at least the CGI adaptor >>>>>> (WebObjects.exe) from the old version works? >>>>>> >>>>>> Has Apple ever released the source of the Windows adaptors so that they >>>>>> could be recompiled for 64-bit IIS? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your input. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ralph >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com >>>>>> >>>>>> This email sent to [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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