Ken I host at SliceHost (subsidiary of Rackspace). The VM's that I get both Ubuntu and CentOS both are full OS's and they also have iptables.
Paul On Jul 31, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: > OK - at least at Rackspace, there's a tool called iptables that allows you to > set firewall rules. > > On Jul 30, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> I honestly have no idea. That is an interesting question. >> >> Chuck >> >> On Jul 30, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: >> >>> I'm just not sure what kind of control you have over the firewall with >>> these cloud servers... >>> >>> >>> On Jul 30, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 30, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does everyone run apache and WO on the same machine? No DMZ? >>>> >>>> That depends on the size of the installation. Usually Apache and some of >>>> the instances can co-exist. You can run Apache on each machine and put a >>>> load balancer in front. For lower usage apps, you can put the database on >>>> the same machine. Put them all behind a firewall and only allow 80 and >>>> 443 through. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm still not clear on how these cloud servers are supposed to work >>>>> regarding separation... >>>>> >>>>> Ken >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Lon Varscsak wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have a dedicated box on rackspace too...it's pricey, but solid as a >>>>>> rock. WO/apache/Postgres. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Lon >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, James Cicenia <ja...@jimijon.com> wrote: >>>>>> I actually have a dedicated managed box over at Rackspace. Their support >>>>>> is top notch. And the webobjects app just keep chugging. I use mysql. >>>>>> >>>>>> - James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 28, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm considering using rackspace and fathomdb - seems very similar to >>>>>>> ec2 and rds. Anyone have any experience with rackspace? I've been >>>>>>> using the for mail hosting for a while and I like them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ken >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Giles Palmer wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 for a podcast! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We are just starting down the EC2 route and would be very interested >>>>>>>> in your experiences. We are using postgres so can't make use of RDS >>>>>>>> which is a great shame, we are also intending to make use of hBase >>>>>>>> (Hadoop) for some of our file storage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Giles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You know, that could make a great podcast or even better, a nice >>>>>>>>> WOWODC presentation :-) Ubermind did a great introduction to WOlastic >>>>>>>>> last year, your case study can complement it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> doing what you've done means you're managing mysql, looking after >>>>>>>>>> it, making sure it doesn't fall over, doing backups, managing >>>>>>>>>> replication etc. rds does all of that for you. it also makes >>>>>>>>>> changing the config of your database server a breeze: need more disk >>>>>>>>>> space ? couple of clicks. need more ram ? couple of clicks. need >>>>>>>>>> more compute power behind it ? couple of clicks. need automatic >>>>>>>>>> fail-over to a different availability zone ? couple of clicks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> re web server resources, remember it's just a normal wo deployment >>>>>>>>>> running in the cloud, so you can do whatever you do now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> we don't separate the web and app tier - all our ec2 instances run >>>>>>>>>> monitor, wotaskd and apache, and are effectively independent of each >>>>>>>>>> other, and we use an elastic load balancer up front. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> simon >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 27 July 2010 17:40, James Cicenia <ja...@jimijon.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> So the base image is the actual OS? So you are managing it as the >>>>>>>>>> admin? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I decided to try WOlastic. I configured the instances, setup up >>>>>>>>>> mysql with my users and sync'd the database from existing production >>>>>>>>>> to amazon. >>>>>>>>>> So you are suggesting RDS vs. what I just did? What are the benefits >>>>>>>>>> of RDS? Amazon backs up the mysql I created. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now I am a bit stumped on WebServerResources. How are you handling >>>>>>>>>> that? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, if this works well, I can my webobject apps over and then just >>>>>>>>>> sell my server and drop the colo. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - James >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Simon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> rolling your own is surprisingly easy if you start with a base >>>>>>>>>>> image. we started out with a vanilla centos image from rightscale, >>>>>>>>>>> and have built it up into what we needed from there. you can then >>>>>>>>>>> create an ebs-backed ami in a couple of clicks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> re pricing, it all depends on what you need. our financial models >>>>>>>>>>> tell us for our deployment is excellent value for money, and we can >>>>>>>>>>> scale well beyond our current needs and it remains as such. use the >>>>>>>>>>> cost aws calculator to figure out your own costs, and remember to >>>>>>>>>>> factor in staff costs in your decision making process. those DBA's >>>>>>>>>>> are darn expensive compared to RDS :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the only performance issue we found is that it is basically >>>>>>>>>>> impossible to host your DB outside of amazon due to latency. but >>>>>>>>>>> you don't have to use RDS - if you like sticking needles in your >>>>>>>>>>> eyes you can just run and look after your own mysql / postgre / >>>>>>>>>>> mssql / whatever on an ec2 instance. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the general performance of our apps has also vastly improved. a >>>>>>>>>>> mixture of using more computing power and amazon having much faster >>>>>>>>>>> internet transit than we were paying for in our previous co-lo. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> alongside production we also run our staging servers and our hudson >>>>>>>>>>> build server on ec2. in productivity terms running hudson there was >>>>>>>>>>> a huge leap forward: previously a new build would take around 30 >>>>>>>>>>> minutes to upload to staging / production. now it takes 19 seconds >>>>>>>>>>> flat :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> we're shortly going to move our subversion repository to ec2 as >>>>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Simon >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 27 July 2010 15:13, James Cicenia <ja...@jimijon.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> This is very cool. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I need to move one of my servers, or, use the cloud approach for >>>>>>>>>>> its WOApps. I see you rolled your own but wolastic seems like it is >>>>>>>>>>> for a mere mortal. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anyone use wolastic? What is the pricing your are seeing? Issues? >>>>>>>>>>> Performances? Etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>> James Cicenia >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Simon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> we don't use the wolastic images (we have our own) but we do >>>>>>>>>>>> deploy entirely on the amazon ec2 cloud now. ec2 instances running >>>>>>>>>>>> standard javamonitor / wotaskd, amazon RDS for database server, s3 >>>>>>>>>>>> for file storage etc. scalability on demand, load balancing, >>>>>>>>>>>> redundancy across multiple availability zones. it's the best thing >>>>>>>>>>>> since sliced bread... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> our staging servers (also on ec2) run wonders javamonitor / wotasd >>>>>>>>>>>> and hence we'll probably upgrade our production servers to those >>>>>>>>>>>> soon. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> simon >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 26 July 2010 21:36, Ramsey Gurley <ram...@xeotech.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't tried it yet, but WOlastic looks like a *really* cool >>>>>>>>>>>> deployment solution for WO. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolastic.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ramsey >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the thoughts guys! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2010-07-26 à 12:55, Chuck Hill a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been asked to comment on the best way to deploy WebObjects >>>>>>>>>>>> today without any "imposed" restrictions. I haven't done any new >>>>>>>>>>>> deployments in a long while, so I'm likely not up to date on the >>>>>>>>>>>> last. What are people using today, and why do they think it's the >>>>>>>>>>>> best? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks much! >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Lacking imposed restrictions (e.g. must run in J2EE container), >>>>>>>>>>>> traditional WO deployment through Apache with mod_webobjects is >>>>>>>>>>>> probably the way to go. Anjo was working on mod_proxy deployment, >>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't recall how far he got or if he has this in production. >>>>>>>>>>>> It looked promising. 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